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The SS Asia was a passenger steamship and package freighter of the Northwestern Transportation Company.  She was 136 feet  long and had a beam of 26 feet (7.9 m).  Launched at St. Catharines, Ontario in 1873, she was built as a canaller, a vessel designed for use in the Welland Canal and other enclosed watercourses of the day.  She was converted by her owners for services in the open Great Lakes.  Heavily laden and top-heavy with freight, she sank near Lonely Island in Georgian Bay on 14 September 1882 with a loss of 123 lives.  The doomed vessel had been fitted with flimsy lifeboats, which repeatedly overturned in the heavy waters.  A lifeboat that had originally saved 18 officers and passengers from the foundering Asia then capsized over and over in storm conditions, leading to the deaths of most of the castaways.  By the time the one remaining lifeboat made land near Parry Sound, only two passengers remained alive.

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The history of commercial passenger shipping on the Great Lakes is long but uneven. It reached its zenith between the mid-19th century and the 1950s. As early as 1844, palace steamers carried passengers and cargo around the Great Lakes. By 1900, fleets of relatively luxurious passenger steamers plied the waters of the lower lakes, especially the major industrial centres of Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, and Toronto

Sources disagree as to which was the first steamboat on the Great Lakes. Some say it was the Canadian built Frontenac (170 feet), launched on September 7, 1816, at Ernestown, Ontario (about 18 miles from Kingston). Others say it was the U.S. built Ontario (110 feet), launched in the spring of 1817 at Sacketts Harbor, New York. It appears that while the Frontenac was launched first, the Ontario began active service first. The Ontario began its regular service in April, 1817, and the Frontenac made its first trip to the head of the lake on June 5.[1]

The first steamboat on the upper Great Lakes was the passenger carrying Walk-In-The-Water, built in 1818 to navigate Lake Erie. It was a success and more vessels like it followed. Steamboats on the lakes grew in size and number, and additional decks were built on the superstructure to allow more capacity. This inexpensive method of adding capacity was adapted from river steamboats and successfully applied to lake-going craft.

The Erie Canal opened in 1825, allowing settlers from New England and New York to reach Michigan by water through Albany and Buffalo. This route opening and the incorporation of Chicago in 1837,[2] increased  Great Lakes steamboat traffic from Detroit through the straits of Mackinaw to Chicago. [3]  [4]

 
City of Cleveland (circa 1941)

The screw propeller was introduced to the Great Lakes by Vandalia in 1842 and allowed the building of a new class of combination passenger and freight carrier. The first of these "package and passenger freighters", Hercules, was built in Buffalo, New York, in 1843. Hercules displayed all the features that defined the type, a screw propelled the vessel, passengers were accommodated in staterooms on the upper deck, and package freight below on the large main deck and in the holds.

Engines developed as well. Compound engines, in which steam was expanded twice for greater efficiency, were first used on the Great Lakes in 1869. Triple-expansion engines, for even greater efficiency, were introduced in 1887 and quadruple-expansion engines, the ultimate type of reciprocating engine for speed, power and efficiency, appeared on the lakes in 1894.

Steamboat lines were established by railroads on the Great lakes to join railheads in the 1850s. This service carried goods and passengers from railroads in the East across the length of the lakes to railroads for the journey West. Railroads bought and built steamship lines to complement railroad services. One such railroad-owned steamship line was formed by the Pennsylvania Railroad in 1865 to connect their terminals at Buffalo to those of the Northern Pacific Railroad at Duluth, Minnesota. This new line, owned by the Erie and Western Transportation Co., became the well-known Anchor Line. The Northern Pacific started its own Northern Steamship Company which, from the mid-1890s, operated the steamers, North Land and North West on 7-day round trip cruises between Buffalo to Duluth.[5] Travelers could disembark at several points and were allowed to finish their voyage later in the season.

A significant industry in leisure cruising arose beginning in the late 19th century, providing large passenger vessels for travel to summer resorts and hotels in the north woods, away from the polluted cities. Summer hotels such as the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island and Ottawa Beach near Holland, Michigan as well as cottage resorts like Harbor Beach and Petoskey, Michigan had regular steamship service. The passenger steamers were also used as charters for day trips. Infamous among these are the Lady Elgin which sank in 1861 with 300 lives lost, Eastland, which capsized in the Chicago River in 1915 with the loss of hundreds of lives, and the Noronic, which burned at the wharf in Toronto in September 1949 with the loss of 119 lives. While the ship had been known as the 'Queen of the Great Lakes' it is now also a symbol of the end of passenger cruises on the Great Lakes. The S.S. North American and S.S. South American would continue to sail until 1967 when South American made a final run delivering passengers to the 1967 World's Fair in Montreal.

In 1915, the anti-monopoly provisions of section 11 of the Panama Canal Act of 1912, ch. 390, 37 Stat. 560, 566 (August 24, 1912), which prohibited railroads under most circumstances from owning steamships, went into effect.  As a result, railroad-owned company fleets were sold to buyers with no ownership interest in railways because under the new law railroads had to divest themselves of their marine divisions on the lakes.  Under this divestiture law, the Milwaukee Clipper, for instance, was sold by the Anchor Line along with four other railroad-owned company fleets to the newly formed Great Lakes Transit Corporation.  Under this flag, the Clipper carried passengers along her old route until retired in 1970.


Before trains and, later, cars became prevalent, summer vacation areas in more remote areas around the Great Lakes were accessible primarily only by steamer.  Northern Michigan's tourist and resort areas began to grow in this manner in the late 1890s.

In the late 19th century, many early tourists arrived at Northern Michigan resort areas via a Lake Michigan steamship.   Chicago to Harbor Springs, Michigan, was a popular trip for many passengers.  An elegant ship named the Manitou would make the trip in 24 hours.  In 1898, the fare was $5.00, with  meals and berth extra. Two other popular ships were the Petoskey and the Charlevoix; their time to Harbor Springs was 40 hours.  The cost to take these boats in 1898 was $7.00, with meals and berth included.  Early steamships stopped at Harbor Springs due to its naturally protected and very deep harbor; later, they added a stop in Petoskey.

During the period between 1910 and 1931, crowds would gather at the Glen Haven docks on Saturdays and Sundays. Motorcoaches awaited newly arriving resort guests while many summer home residents rode to the docks to meet husbands or fathers arriving from the Chicago area. "They leave Chicago Friday night," explained a tourist publication, "and get here the next morning; first stop. They're with their families until Sunday night when the boat takes 'em back again, ready for the job. Great for 'em!"[6]

The author Ernest Hemingway spent the majority of his first 22 summers in Northern Michigan, around Petoskey. He often traveled by steamer from Chicago to Harbor Springs, a voyage that would take 32 hours.

Major lines on the Great Lakes included the Detroit and Cleveland Navigation Company in the U.S., and in Canada, the Northern Navigation Company (later absorbed by Canada Steamship Lines). Some were affiliated with railway companies such as the Ann Arbor Railroad, the Grand Trunk Railway, and the Pere Marquette Railway (absorbed in 1947 into the Chesapeake and Ohio Railway). On Georgian Bay and Lake Huron, the ships of the Owen Sound Transportation Company Limited have shuttled passengers since 1921.


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The St. Lawrence Seaway did Buffalo "in" as a port. Now the ships just sailed right past on their way to other cities. Just returned from a trip to the 1,000 islands & witnessed many seagoing vessels from around the world.
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Accidents involving vessels are not new to the oceans and seas across the planet. Storms, icebergs, and many other reasons have left thousands of shipwrecks lying on the seabed. However, it’s just not the oceans and seas where the vessels meet with accidents. Some of the fresh-water bodies around the world have also witnessed a significant number of vessels sinking and resting under the water for years.  The Great Lakes of North America is one of such prominent fresh-water bodies.The Great Lakes, located in North America on the border of Canada–US, form an important internal navigable channel in the Central North American region. Connecting the Atlantic Ocean through the Saint Lawrence River, the Great Lake consists of five water bodies including Lakes Superior, Huron, Michigan,  Erie, and Ontario. Being the largest group of freshwater lakes in the world by total area, the Great Lakes have a history of marine transportation since the 17th century. However, traversing through these water areas isn’t easy and many ships in the past have succumbed and irrevocably lost in their swirling depths. Having the sea-like features such as rolling waves, strong currents and great depths, these water bodies, also known as inland seas, offers a difficult time for sailors when traversing through the region.


Many of the early sinking were do to Boilers exploding or fires on board.



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Keewatin was one of five ships owned by Canadian Pacific. The Assiniboia ( sister twin), Alberta, Manitoba, and Athabasca . Began in 1886 this line of ships populated the west and were specifically responsible for the economic development of Alberta and Saskatchewan that brought them into Confederation in 1905 by providing vast numbers of immigrants plus equipment and supplies and carrying millions of tons of grain to market in the east on their downward trips.


S.S. Keewatin began her service in the Canadian Pacific Railroad Great Lakes Steamship fleet in 1907. Built in Glasgow, Scotland on the Clyde, by the same culture and Edwardian tradition as RMS Titanic (built in Belfast Northern Ireland) and five years older than the Titanic herself, Keewatin was designed with comfort, class and beauty in mind as she transported passengers and freight on a two and a half day journey across the Great Lakes from Port McNicoll to Fort William and Port Arthur (now Thunder Bay) Ontario.

Thanks in part to improvement in shipping technology throughout the 1950s, companies opted to ship their goods via train, plane and truck rather than relying upon ships for transport. Also markets in the Orient diverted much of the Canadian grain to west coast ports. The three older ships were scrapped and Keewatin with her sister Assiniboia began to focus more upon tourist passenger transport as well as carrying still substantial grain loads at 1600 tons per trip each.

However in 1949, strict regulations were imposed on wooden cabin steamships on the Great Lakes following the SS Noronic fire disaster in Toronto, which took the lives of over a hundred tourists. Like many passenger ships of that era on the Great Lakes, the Keewatin operated under fire codes and rules imposed for wooden cabin steamships. Doomed by her wooden cabins and superstructure and with passengers opting for more reliable and faster modes of travel, Keewatin was laid up and retired on November 28, 1965 at Port McNicoll, finished forever and waiting to be scrapped.

In 1967 the Kee was saved from an ignoble end when R J Peterson of Douglas, Michigan, purchased her. Scrap dealers were preparing to render her parts for melting and antiques. A marina owner and Great Lakes Historian, Mr. Peterson borrowed the funds, bought the ship and the SS KEEWATIN was towed by tug to Lake Kalamazoo, actually a wide turn in the Kalamazoo River where it empties into Lake Michigan. There she was established as a Maritime Museum and was lovingly cared for by The Petersons for 45 years. In August of 2011, with the financial assistance of Port McNicoll developer Gil Blutrich, the Friends of Keewatin had the opportunity to purchase Keewatin from an aging Peterson and with a camera crew in tow spent 10 months digging her out of the little lake in Michigan. In June of 2012, the “Kee” made her triumphant return to Port McNicoll to the delight of thousands of waiting fans.

he Keewatin now stands not only as the last remaining Great Lakes Passenger liner, but as the last of the Edwardian built passenger liner steamships in the world. Representative of a bygone era and an attention to craftsmanship and opulence we won’t soon see again, the “Kee” is a true symbol of growth and development in North America and a treasured piece of Canadian history.

I took the pictures of the SS Keewatin in the next post at Port McNicoll on the weekend but couldn't get far enough back from it with my little camera in get it all in one shot.


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Sorry my pictures are too big to post so here's a couple of videos instead.

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Firefighter Tom Benson recalled, “We got aboard at daylight and there were bodies everywhere. Some were cremated with just a skull or backbone remaining. The intensity of the heat was such that human bone was incinerated.”

The Steamship Noronic was the flagship of the Canada Steamship Lines and the largest passenger cruise ship on the Great Lakes. After more than a thousand safe voyages, the end came in an inferno at Pier 9 in Toronto, where the ship had docked on the night of September 16 while in route to Prescott and the Thousand Islands. A passenger first noticed smoke coming from a small linen closet around 2:30 a.m. Fire spread with the speed of a struck match. The Toronto Fire Department arrived within minutes, but the heat was so intense that the water from the fire hoses vaporized before it reached the ship's hull. The next morning crews began the grim task of recovering victims. The death toll would be 118, with 104 dead and 14 missing.

The tragedy spelled the end of an era, as strict regulations hastened the end of the old Great Lakes passenger ships—it would be prohibitively expensive to retrofit the old cruise vessels.

More than a month after the tragedy, the Noronic was re-floated, towed out of Toronto Harbour and on to a scrapyard in Hamilton, Ontario. 

The Noronic fire remains Toronto’s deadliest disaster.

 

 



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File:Great Lakes 1913 Storm Shipwrecks.png


Ships that were lost on Lake Erie. Long point is a piece of land sticking out into the Lake on the Canadian side.


Lake Erie[edit]

ShipSunk dateNotesCoordinates
17 Fathom wreck
Lying on a silt bottom at 105 feet

http://www.eriewrecks.com/shipwrecks/17fathom/17fathom.html

42°39′N 80°03′W / 42.650°N 80.050°W / 42.650; -80.050 (17 Fathom wreck)
Admiral 1942, Dec 214 died. Towing barge CLEVECO (qv), she encountered a heavy gale & began to founder. She radioed in, but C.G. was unable to locate her in the murk before she went down. Owned by Cleveland Tankers, Cleveland.

Wreck located by a commercial diver in 1969.

41°38′N 81°54′W / 41.633°N 81.900°W / 41.633; -81.900 (Admiral)
Adventure

41°38′N 82°41′W / 41.633°N 82.683°W / 41.633; -82.683 (Adventure)
SS Algeria

41°31′N 81°42′W / 41.517°N 81.700°W / 41.517; -81.700 (SS Algeria)
Alva B.

41°30′N 82°01′W / 41.500°N 82.017°W / 41.500; -82.017 (Alva B.)
America

41°49′N 82°38′W / 41.817°N 82.633°W / 41.817; -82.633 (America)
Angler 1893A tug that caught fire and sank in Long Point.
PS Anthony Wayne 28 April 1850A wooden hulled paddle steamer that sank after her boilers exploded. She is the oldest steamboat wreck on the Great Lakes.41°31.00′N 82°23.00′W / 41.51667°N 82.38333°W / 41.51667; -82.38333 (PS Anthony Wayne)
PS Atlantic 20 August 1852Paddlewheel steamer rammed and sunk off Long Point in the fifth-worst single-vessel disaster to ever occur on the Great Lakes.42°30′N 80°05′W / 42.500°N 80.083°W / 42.500; -80.083 (Steamship Atlantic)
Arches

42°27′N 80°01′W / 42.450°N 80.017°W / 42.450; -80.017 (Arches)
Argo October 20, 1937tank barge sank off Pelee Island with cargo of oil, considered one of the greatest pollution risks on the Lakes[3]
Armenia


Aycliffe Hall 1936Sank off Long Point.
Bay Coal Schooner

41°33′N 81°56′W / 41.550°N 81.933°W / 41.550; -81.933 (Bay Coal Schooner)
Bow Cabin

41°56′N 82°14′W / 41.933°N 82.233°W / 41.933; -82.233 (Bow Cabin)
British Lion 1877Ran aground off Long Point. The same storm claimed the Mediera and Elize A. Turner.
Brown Brothers 1959Sank off Long Point.42°37′N 80°00′W / 42.617°N 80.000°W / 42.617; -80.000 (Brown Brothers (ship))
Brunswick

42°35′N 79°24′W / 42.583°N 79.400°W / 42.583; -79.400 (Brunswick)
Canobie

42°10′N 80°00′W / 42.167°N 80.000°W / 42.167; -80.000 (Canobie)
Carlingford

42°39′N 79°28′W / 42.650°N 79.467°W / 42.650; -79.467 (Carlingford)
Cascade


Case


C.B. Benson

42°46′N 79°14′W / 42.767°N 79.233°W / 42.767; -79.233 (C.B. Benson)
C.B. Lockwood
Discovered to have sunk below Lake Erie's bottom[4] 41°56′N 81°23′W / 41.933°N 81.383°W / 41.933; -81.383 (C.B. Lockwood)
Cecil J.

42°45′N 80°13′W / 42.750°N 80.217°W / 42.750; -80.217 (Cecil J.)
Charger


Charles B. Packard


Charles H. Davis

41°30′N 81°43′W / 41.500°N 81.717°W / 41.500; -81.717 (Charles H. Davis)
Charles Foster

42°10′N 80°15′W / 42.167°N 80.250°W / 42.167; -80.250 (Charles Foster)
City of Concord


City of Dresden 1922Ran aground off Long Point.
Clarion


Cleveco

41°47′N 81°36′W / 41.783°N 81.600°W / 41.783; -81.600 (Cleveco)
Colonel Cook


Colonial


Conemaugh


Craftsman

41°31′N 82°00′W / 41.517°N 82.000°W / 41.517; -82.000 (Craftsman)
Crete

42°10′N 80°00′W / 42.167°N 80.000°W / 42.167; -80.000 (Crete)
David Stewart


David Vance


Dean Richmond

42°17′N 79°55′W / 42.283°N 79.917°W / 42.283; -79.917 (Dean Richmond)
Dundee

41°41′N 81°50′W / 41.683°N 81.833°W / 41.683; -81.833 (Dundee)
Dunkirk Schooner Site
An early unidentified schooner lying off Dunkirk, New York 42°33′0″N 79°36′0″W / 42.55000°N 79.60000°W / 42.55000; -79.60000 (Dunkirk Schooner Site)
Duke Luedtke

41°41′N 81°57′W / 41.683°N 81.950°W / 41.683; -81.950 (Duke Luedtke)
Eldorado

42°10′N 80°00′W / 42.167°N 80.000°W / 42.167; -80.000 (Eldorado)
Elize A. Turner 1877Ran aground off Long Point. The same storm claimed the British Lion and Madiera.
Elphicke 1913Ran aground off Long Point.
Empire 1870Ran aground off Long Point.
Erieau Quarry Stone

42°15′N 81°54′W / 42.250°N 81.900°W / 42.250; -81.900 (Erieau Quarry Stone)
F.A. Meyer

41°55′N 82°02′W / 41.917°N 82.033°W / 41.917; -82.033 (F.A. Meyer)
Fannie L. Jones

41°30′N 81°43′W / 41.500°N 81.717°W / 41.500; -81.717 (Fannie L. Jones)
Frank E. Vigor

41°57′N 81°57′W / 41.950°N 81.950°W / 41.950; -81.950 (Frank E. Vigor)
George Dunbar

41°40′N 82°33′W / 41.667°N 82.550°W / 41.667; -82.550 (George Dunbar)
George Stone


George Worthington


SS G. P. Griffith 18 June 1850Between 241 and 289 lives lost.  Third-greatest loss of life in any Great Lakes shipping disaster.
Grand Traverse


H.A. Barr

42°09′N 81°23′W / 42.150°N 81.383°W / 42.150; -81.383 (H.A. Barr)
Henry Roop 12 October 1843A schooner lost in a storm.
H.G. Cleveland


Hickory Stick

41°32′N 82°06′W / 41.533°N 82.100°W / 41.533; -82.100 (Hickory Stick)
Idaho 1897Ran aground off Long Point.
Indiana

42°17′N 79°59′W / 42.283°N 79.983°W / 42.283; -79.983 (Indiana)
Isabella J. Boyce June 1917A sandsucker which grounded on Middle Bass Island in Lake Erie, caught fire, and sunk in 10 feet (3.0 m) of water. No lives were lost.
Ivanhoe

41°33′N 82°02′W / 41.550°N 82.033°W / 41.550; -82.033 (Ivanhoe)
James B. Colgate 20 October 1916A whaleback steamer that sank off Long Point, in a storm that also took the SS Merida (lake freighter).42°05′N 81°44′W / 42.083°N 81.733°W / 42.083; -81.733 (James B. Colgate (ship))
James J. Reed 1944Sank off Long Point.
Jay Gould

41°51′N 82°24′W / 41.850°N 82.400°W / 41.850; -82.400 (Jay Gould)
Jennie P. King 1866Foundered off Long Point.
Jersey City 1860Foundered off Long Point.
J.G. McGrath

42°40′N 79°23′W / 42.667°N 79.383°W / 42.667; -79.383 (J.G. McGrath)
J.J. Boland Jr.

42°22′N 79°43′W / 42.367°N 79.717°W / 42.367; -79.717 (J.J. Boland Jr.)
John B. Griffin


John B. Lyon


John Pridgeon Jr.

41°35′N 81°58′W / 41.583°N 81.967°W / 41.583; -81.967 (John Pridgeon Jr.)
Jorge B.


Joseph Paige 14 October 1893Ran aground off Long Point, in a gale that also took the Wocoken.
Lawrence 1921Ran aground off Long Point.
Lake Serpent 1829

Little Wissahickon

41°54′N 81°56′W / 41.900°N 81.933°W / 41.900; -81.933 (Little Wissahickon)
Lycoming

42°15′N 81°53′W / 42.250°N 81.883°W / 42.250; -81.883 (Lycoming)
Mabel Wilson

41°30′N 81°43′W / 41.500°N 81.717°W / 41.500; -81.717 (Mabel Wilson)
Madiera 1877Ran aground off Long Point. The same storm claimed the British Lion and Elize A. Turner.
Magnet


Margaret Olwill June 28, 1899Overloaded with limestone, the load shifted during an unexpected June gale and the ship was capsized by waves when the steering chains broke.  At least eight people perished.
Marquette & Bessemer No. 2 December 1909

Marshall F. Butters

41°43′N 82°17′W / 41.717°N 82.283°W / 41.717; -82.283 (Marshall F. Butters)
Mecosta

41°31′N 81°53′W / 41.517°N 81.883°W / 41.517; -81.883 (Mecosta)
Merida 16 October 1916A Ward Line steamer that sank off Long Point in a storm that also took the James B. Colgate.42°13′N 81°20′W / 42.217°N 81.333°W / 42.217; -81.333 (Meria (ship))
Morania 29 October 1951Also includes Penobscot. Closest shipwreck to Buffalo River
M.I. Wilcox


Morning Star

41°36′N 82°12′W / 41.600°N 82.200°W / 41.600; -82.200 (Morning Star)
Mystic 1907Sank off Long Point.
New Brunswick


Niagara 1899Ran aground off Long Point.
North Carolina

41°43′N 81°22′W / 41.717°N 81.367°W / 41.717; -81.367 (North Carolina)
Northern Indiana July 17, 1856Caught fire near Point au Pelee, Lake Erie, while en route from Buffalo to Monroe, Michigan.[5] 56 lives lost.41°53′N 82°30′W / 41.883°N 82.500°W / 41.883; -82.500 (Northern Indiana)
Oneida

42°13′N 79°51′W / 42.217°N 79.850°W / 42.217; -79.850 (Oneida)
Oxford

42°28′N 79°51′W / 42.467°N 79.850°W / 42.467; -79.850 (Oxford)
Paddy Murphy


Pascal P. Pratt 1908Ran aground off Long Point.42°33′N 80°05′W / 42.550°N 80.083°W / 42.550; -80.083 (Pascal P. Pratt (ship))
Passaic

42°28′N 79°27′W / 42.467°N 79.450°W / 42.467; -79.450 (Passaic)
Penelope

41°31′N 82°02′W / 41.517°N 82.033°W / 41.517; -82.033 (Penelope)
Philip D. Armour

42°07′N 80°10′W / 42.117°N 80.167°W / 42.117; -80.167 (Philip D. Armour)
Philip Minch

41°41′N 82°30′W / 41.683°N 82.500°W / 41.683; -82.500 (Philip Minch)
Pocahontas 1862Foundered off Long Point.
Queen of the West

41°50′N 82°23′W / 41.833°N 82.383°W / 41.833; -82.383 (Queen of the West)
Raleigh 29 November 1911During a storm, the rudder broke and she ran aground about 1 mile off Wildwood Road, Sherkston, Ontario in 30 feet of water.
Rebecca Foster 1857Foundered off Long Point.
Robert

42°15′N81°49′W / 42.25°N 81.81°W / 42.25; -81.81 (Robert)
S.F. Gale

41°44′N 81°52′W / 41.733°N 81.867°W / 41.733; -81.867 (S.F. Gale)
S.K. Martin

42°14′N 79°56′W / 42.233°N 79.933°W / 42.233; -79.933 (S.K. Martin)
St. James
Sank of unknown cause off Long Point in Lake Erie; discovered 1984.42°27′N 80°07′W / 42.450°N 80.117°W / 42.450; -80.117 (St. James)
Sand Merchant

41°34′N 82°57′W / 41.567°N 82.950°W / 41.567; -82.950 (Sand Merchant)
Sarah E. Sheldon

41°29′N 82°06′W / 41.483°N 82.100°W / 41.483; -82.100 (Sarah E. Sheldon)
Siberia 1883A schooner that ran aground off Long Point.
Siberia 1905Ran aground off Long Point.
Smith
A tugboat that sank under tow off Long Point, Lake Erie.
Specular


Success

41°31′N 82°54′W / 41.517°N 82.900°W / 41.517; -82.900 (Success)
Sultan 24 September 1864Lost in a storm off of Cleveland41°36′N 81°37′W / 41.600°N 81.617°W / 41.600; -81.617 (Sultan)
T-8

42°35′N 80°01′W / 42.583°N 80.017°W / 42.583; -80.017 (T-8)
Tasmania

41°47′N 82°29′W / 41.783°N 82.483°W / 41.783; -82.483 (Tasmania)
Tire Reef

42°41′N 80°08′W / 42.683°N 80.133°W / 42.683; -80.133 (Tire reef)
Trade Wind
A schooner that collided with the Sir Charles Napier off Long Point.42°25′N 80°12′W / 42.417°N 80.200°W / 42.417; -80.200 (Trade Wind (ship))
Tug Smith

42°28′N 79°59′W / 42.467°N 79.983°W / 42.467; -79.983 (Tug Smith)
Two Fannies

41°33′N 81°55′W / 41.550°N 81.917°W / 41.550; -81.917 (Two Fannies)
Unknown

42°08′N 81°37′W / 42.133°N 81.617°W / 42.133; -81.617
Valentine

41°55′N 81°54′W / 41.917°N 81.900°W / 41.917; -81.900 (Valentine)
Washington Irving

42°32′N 79°27′W / 42.533°N 79.450°W / 42.533; -79.450 (Washington Irving (schooner))
Wild Rover
Foundered off Long Point.
William H. Vanderbilt 1883Ran aground off Long Point.
Willis


Wilma

42°42′N 80°02′W / 42.700°N 80.033°W / 42.700; -80.033 (Wilma)
Wocoken 14 October 1893Ran aground off Long Point in a gale that also took the Joseph Paige.
Young Phoenix 1818Sank off Long Point, Lake Erie.


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Lake Huron[edit]

ShipSunk dateNotesCoordinatesImage
Arabia October 1884Barque that foundered of Echo Island near Tobermory, Ontario in 120 feet of water.

SS Argus November 9, 1913Wreckage found near Bayfield Ontario Canada
Argus before 1913 Great Lakes storm.png
CC Martin 1911Tug lost with barge Albatross during storm off French River, ten lives lost.45°30′56″N81°04′13″W / 45.51555°N 81.070277°W / 45.51555; -81.070277 (CC Martin)
SS Cedarville 7 May 1965A bulk carrier that collided with SS Topdalsfjord in the Straits of Mackinac.45°47.235′N 85°40.248′W / 45.787250°N 85.670800°W / 45.787250; -85.670800
SS Charles S. Price 15 November 1913Capsized in the Great Lakes Storm of 1913. Sighted floating upside-down November 10, 1913 identified as Charles S. Price before it sank on November 15, 1913. Wreck was not found until the 60s when it was found by Resbert R. Martin.43°11.89980′N 82°23.89980′W / 43.19833000°N 82.39833000°W / 43.19833000; -82.39833000
SS Choctaw 12 February 1915Sank in a collision with the SS Wahcondah.

City of Grand Rapids 29 October 1907The City of Grand Rapids was a double decker passenger streamer that caught fire while docked in Little Tub Harbour. For the security of the harbour, the Grand Rapids was towed out into Georgian Bay and released to burn. From there she drifted to the head of Big Tub Harbour where she burnt to the waterline and sank.

Cornelia B. Windiate 27 November 1875Iced up and slowly sank in a storm after passing through the Straits of Mackinac.

SS Daniel J. Morrell 29 November 1966Broke in two in a storm on Lake Huron, with the aft section coming to rest five miles from the bow.43°51′00″N82°35′24″W / 43.850°N 82.590°W / 43.850; -82.590 (SS Daniel J. Morrell) Daniel J. Morrell.jpg
Dorcas Pendell 6th July 1914Shallow water shipwreck located in the harbor of Harbor Beach, Michigan. The Dorcas Pendell was a schooner built in 1884 and burned in place on July 6th 1914 after running aground.

SS D.R. Hanna 16 May 1919A 552-foot (168 m) long steel freighter that sank in a collision with the Quincy A. Shaw.
The D.R. Hanna prior to her sinking.jpg
Emma L. Nielson 26 June 1911Collision in fog off Pointe Aux Barques.

Erie Belle 21 November 1883A steamship that exploded while attempting to rescue the stranded schooner J. N. Carter.44°09′24″N81°39′32″W / 44.156741°N 81.658997°W / 44.156741; -81.658997 (Erie Belle)
Exchange



Forest City 5 June 1904Ran aground in foggy weather near south east end of Bear's Rump Island in Georgian Bay near Tobermory. Smashed stem is in 60 feet and stern is at 150 feet depth.45°19.0′N 81°33.0′W / 45.3167°N 81.5500°W / 45.3167; -81.5500 (SS Forest City)
Hunter Savidge
Capsized off Point Aux Barques.

SS Hydrus 11 November 1913Lost on Lake Huron during the Great Lakes Storm of 1913. Its wreck was discovered in July 2015.[6]
Hydrus - Lake Huron shipwrecks.jpg
SS Isaac M. Scott 9 November 1913A lake freighter that sank in the Great Lakes Storm of 1913.45°03′N 83°02′W / 45.050°N 83.033°W / 45.050; -83.033 (SS Isaac M. Scott) Isaac M. Scott - Lake Huron shipwrecks.jpg
James C. King November 1901While under tow by W.L.Wetmore, which was wrecked by a storm, the King was wrecked too at the north west end of Bonnet Island near Tobermory, Ontario in about 90 feet of water.

SS James Carruthers 9 November 1913Lost on Lake Huron during the Great Lakes Storm of 1913.44°48′04″N82°23′49″W / 44.801°N 82.397°W / 44.801; -82.397 (SS James Carruthers) James Carruthers - Lake Huron shipwrecks.jpg
James Davidson 4 October 1883Wooden bulk freighter wrecked in shallow water off the coast of Thunder Bay Island while towing a consort-barge to Duluth. While still stranded, its engine and boiler were salvaged, and the rest of it has since broken up and separated about 35 feet underwater.[7] 45°01′56.64″N 83°11′33.78″W / 45.0324000°N 83.1927167°W / 45.0324000; -83.1927167
SS John A. McGean 1913Lost in storm off Harbor Beach in Lake Huron in the Great Storm of 1913. Wreck discovered in 1985.[6]
John A. McGean - Lake Huron shipwrecks.jpg
SS Kaliyuga October 1905A wooden steamship lost in a storm.

Lottie Wolf 16 October 1891This schooner broke up in gale force seas in shallow water about 200 feet of the Hope Island Lighthouse in about 30 feet of water near Midland, Ontario.

Mapledawn 30 November 1924This steel freighter ran aground in a snow storm on the west side of Christian Island near Midland, Ontario. She is in 35 feet of water with part of the stem sticking out of the water.

Marine City
Wrecked north of Sturgeon Point Light.

Metamora 30 September 1907A wooden tug that sank near Pointe au Baril, Georgian Bay.45°31′43.39″N 80°24′26.61″W / 45.5287194°N 80.4073917°W / 45.5287194; -80.4073917 (Metamora (shipwreck))
Michigan November 1943While removing grain from the stranded Riverton at the north west end of Hope Island near Midland, Ontario, high winds blew her into shallow waters grounding her in 20 feet of water.

Monohansett 23 November 1907The wooden steam barge sank after catching fire near Thunder Bay Island in Lake Huron. As the wreck took place near the island's Life Saving Station, no lives were lost.[8] 45°01′59.76″N 83°11′59.28″W / 45.0332667°N 83.1998000°W / 45.0332667; -83.1998000
SS Monrovia 26 May 1959A cargo ship that collided with SS Royalston north of Thunder Bay Island.44°35′25″N 82°33′12″W / 44.59028°N 82.55333°W / 44.59028; -82.55333 (SS Monrovia)
SS Ohio (1875) 26 September 1894A wooden freighter that sank in a collision with the schooner Ironton.

Philo Scoville October 1889Wrecked during a storm and is in 100 feet at north east end of Bonnet Island near Tobermory, Ontario.

SS Regina 10 November 1913Lost on Lake Huron during the Great Lakes Storm of 1913.
Regina - Lake Huron shipwrecks.jpg
Sweepstakes September 1885A schooner that was damaged off Cove Island in August, then sank a month later in Big Tub Harbour, near Tobermory.45°15′18″N 81°40′50″W / 45.25500°N 81.68056°W / 45.25500; -81.68056 (=Sweepstakes)
True North II 16 June 2000A glass-bottomed tour boat that sank in Georgian Bay, killing two students.

Typo 14 October 1899The wooden three-masted schooner was run down by the steamer W.P. Ketcham. The ship sank immediately and the four crew on board drowned.[9] 45°24′55″N 83°33′51″W / 45.41528°N 83.56417°W / 45.41528; -83.56417
PS Waubuno 22 November 1879A side-wheel paddle steamer lost in a storm in Georgian Bay.45°07′15″N 80°09′58″W / 45.12083°N 80.16611°W / 45.12083; -80.16611 (=PS Waubuno)
W.L. Wetmore November 1901Wrecked in a storm at the west end of Bonnet Island in about 30 feet of water, near Tobermory, Ontario.

SS Wexford 9 November 1913Lost on Lake Huron during the Great Lakes Storm of 1913.
Wexford - Lake Huron shipwrecks.jpg
Minnedosa 20 October 1905Sank while in tow, near Harbor Beach, Michigan; 9 crew and passengers lost.


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Lake Michigan[edit]

ShipSunk dateNotesCoordinates
SS Alpena 15 October 1880A sidewheel steamer that capsized in a storm.
Alvin Clark 19 June 1864A schooner that sank off the shore of Chambers Island. It was raised in 1969 and taken to Menominee, where it became a tourist attraction. However, it quickly deteriorated, and was demolished in 1994 to make way for a parking lot.45°06′15″N87°37′13″W / 45.104167°N 87.620278°W / 45.104167; -87.620278 (Alvin Clark (schooner))
America 28 September 1880A wooden schooner that struck another vessel's scow line.
SS Anna C. Minch 11 November 1940A cargo carrier that broke in two and sank during the Armistice Day Blizzard.43°47′13″N86°31′52″W / 43.787°N 86.531°W / 43.787; -86.531 (SS Anna C. Minch)
SS Appomattox 2 November 1905A bulk cargo steamship that ran aground in fog.43°05′37.09″N 87°51′58.35″W / 43.0936361°N 87.8662083°W / 43.0936361; -87.8662083 (SS Appomattox)
SS Australasia 18 November 1896A wooden steamship that sank after burning to a total loss.44°55.20′N 87°11.13′W / 44.92000°N 87.18550°W / 44.92000; -87.18550 (SS Australasia)
The Brick


SS Carl D. Bradley 18 November 1958A self-unloading Great Lakes freighter caught in a vicious storm on Lake Michigan.
SS Chicora 21 January 1895A steamer that went missing in Lake Michigan
Christina Nilsson 23 October 1884A schooner that sank in a blizzard off Baileys Harbor.
Continental 1904A bulk carrier that sank off the coast of Two Rivers.
Daniel Lyons 17 October 1878A schooner that collided with the Kate Gillett off Algoma.
SS Eber Ward 20 April 1909A cargo ship that foundered in heavy ice west of Mackinaw City.
Erie L. Hackley 3 October 1903A cargo liner that sank in a storm near Green Island, Wisconsin.45°03.71′N 87°27.37′W / 45.06183°N 87.45617°W / 45.06183; -87.45617 (Erie L. Hackley)
SS Eastland 24 July 1915Rolled over in the Chicago River in Chicago, Illinois. A total of 848 passengers and crew were killed––the largest loss of life in a single shipwreck on the Great Lakes.
Fleetwing 26 September 1888A schooner that ran aground off the coast of Liberty Grove.
SS Francisco Morazan 29 November 1960Grounded and became a total loss in 1960 off the south shore of South Manitou Island. She ran over the wreck of the bulk freighter SS Walter L Frost.
Frank O'Connor 3 October 1919A bulk carrier that caught fire and sank off the coast of North Bay.45°06′52″N 87°0′44″W / 45.11444°N 87.01222°W / 45.11444; -87.01222 (Frank O'Connor)
Gallinipper 1851A schooner that sank in a gale off the coast of Centerville.
Grape Shot November 1867A schooner that was run aground by a gale off the coast of Plum Island.
Green Bay
An unidentified sloop off the coast of Sevastopol, believed to date from 1840-1860.
Grace Channon 1877A three-masted wooden schooner that collided with the propeller tug Favourite 12 miles south of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[10]
Hanover November 1867A schooner that struck a shoal near the Strawberry Islands.
Hennepin (shipwreck) 18 August 1927The first self-unloading bulk carrier; sprang a leak off the east coast of Lake Michigan.
Home 1858A schooner that collided with the William Fiske off the coast of Centerville.
Iris 1913A schooner that ran aground off the coast of Washington Island.
Joys 23 December 1898A steamboat that caught fire at anchor in the Sturgeon Bay Ship Canal.
Lady Elgin 8 September 1860A steamship wrecked in Lake Michigan near Chicago following a collision with the schooner Augusta.  The greatest loss of life on open water in the Great Lakes.42°11′00″N 87°39′00″W / 42.18333°N 87.65000°W / 42.18333; -87.65000 (PS Lady Elgin)
SS Lakeland 3 December 1924A steel freighter that sank after she sprang a leak.44°47.34′N 87°11.32′W / 44.78900°N 87.18867°W / 44.78900; -87.18867 (SS Lakeland)
Louisiana 8 November 1913A steamboat that caught fire in a snowstorm off Washington.
L.R. Doty 25 October 1898A steamship lost in a violent storm while towing the Olive Jeanette.
Lumberman 6 April 1893A schooner that sank in a storm off the coast of Oak Creek.
Meridian October 1873A schooner that sank off the coast off Sister Bay.
SS Milwaukee 22 October 1929Train ferry that sank in a storm off Milwaukee with the loss of all hands.  Today she lies about four miles northeast of the North Point Lighthouse.[11]
Mount Vernon


Niagara 23 September 1856A palace steamer that caught fire and sank off Belgium, Wisconsin.
Northerner 29 November 1868A schooner that capsized off Port Washington.
Ocean Wave 23 September 1869A scow schooner that sank in a storm off the coast of Door County.
Phoenix 21 November 1847Wooden steamship that caught fire from over-stoked boilers and burned to the waterline off the coast of Sheboygan, WI, killing at least 190 but perhaps more than 250 of the nearly 300 souls on board.  39 people survived in lifeboats and three were rescued from the water.[12]
R. J. Hackett 12 November 1905The first Great Lakes freighter; caught fire, ran aground and sank in Green Bay.45°21′28″N 87°10′55″W / 45.35778°N 87.18194°W / 45.35778; -87.18194 (R. J. Hackett (steamer))
Rosinco 19 September 1928A luxury yacht that sank off the coast of Kenosha.
Rouse Simmons 23 November 1912Sunk in a storm on Lake Michigan with its cargo of Christmas trees.
Success 26 November 1896Pushed ashore by a gale during a storm off the coast of Sevastopol, Wisconsin.
Tennie and Laura 2 August 1903A scow schooner that sank off Port Washington.
Three Brothers 27 September 1911A lumber freighter that took on water and was driven aground on South Manitou Island.
S.B. Toledo 22 October 185679 of 81 passengers and crew were lost when she sank near Port Washington, Wisconsin in 10 to 35 feet of water. Also carried freight. Wood hull, propeller/direct acting steam engine built by B.B. Jones Co, Buffalo, New York 1854.
SS Selah Chamberlain 13 October 1886Sank two miles northeast of Sheboygan.43°46.196′N 087°39.401′W / 43.769933°N 87.656683°W / 43.769933; -87.656683 (SS Selah Chamberlain)
SS William B. Davock 11 November 1940Sank near Pentwater in the Armistice Day Blizzard.
SS Wisconsin October 1929A steamboat that sank off the coast of Kenosha.
Thomas Hume 21 May 1891A schooner that disappeared on Lake Michigan.
SS W.H. Gilcher 28 October 1892The Gilcher was a steel hulled freighter that went missing on Lake Michigan on 28 October 1892.
SS Pere Marquette 18 9 September 1910A steel hulled car ferry that mysteriously flooded, and sank on Lake Michigan.
SS John V. Moran 7 February 1899A wooden hulled freighter that sunk when a piece of ice punched a hole in her hull.
SS Henry Cort 30 November 1934A whaleback freighter that ran aground at Muskegon, Michigan.


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Lake Ontario[edit]

ShipSunk dateNotesCoordinates
Alberta
A Lake tug with the appearance of an Alligator Tug from the Ottawa River logging days, sank near Bay of Quinte.
Aloha 1917Sunk while in tow of the CW Chamberlain off Nine Mile Point
Annie Falconer 1904A schooner that sank in a storm en route to Picton. One crew member perished of exposure upon reaching Amherst Island.
Augustus
A schooner that sank en route to be scuttled during the 1937 Portsmouth harbour cleanup.
Bay State November 4, 1862Screw propeller, sank in storm. Wreck discovered August 2015[13]
Belle Sheridan November 7, 1880A 123-foot two masted schooner.  She was carrying coal en route to Toronto when caught in the Gale of 1880 and after fighting for hours, sank in 12 feet of water in Wellers Bay.  Only one of the crew of seven survived.
Black Duck 1872A 51-foot single mast scow sloop that sank in the East end of Lake Erie in August 1872.
China 1872A small steamer that caught fire and sank off False Duck Island, six months after launching.
City of Sheboygan 1925Sank in a storm off Amherst Island with the loss of 5 people.
Comet 1861A paddlewheeler that sunk in a collision with the schooner Exchange off Nine Mile Point, with the loss of 2 lives.
Cornwall 1931A paddlewheeler scuttled in the Amherst Island graveyard.
Dominion


Dredge Islander
A dredge scuttled in the Snake Island graveyard after harbour cleanup in the 1930s.
Dupont Salvage Scow
Scuttled near Dupont Point, perhaps after the Elevator Bay cleanup.
Effie Mae 1993A charter boat that was scuttled beside the Aloha for a diving attraction
Empress
A steamer scuttled in the Amherst Island Graveyard. Real name unknown.
Frontenac
Tug.
George A. Marsh 17 August 1917A schooner that was sunk during a heavy gale off Pigeon Island. Twelve of fourteen crew and passengers died.[14]
George T Davie
Barge.
Glendora
A steamer that was scuttled in the Amherst Island Graveyard. Real name unknown.
USS Hamilton 8 August 1813A US Navy schooner that sunk in a squall off Fourteen Mile Creek. A US sister ship the Scourge sank in the same squall.
Hilda
Wrecker.
Katie Eccles
Ran aground near Kingston on Lake Ontario.
KPH Wreck
A flat barge 100' long that sank near Kingston Psychiatric Hospital.
Londonderry
Wrecker.
Maple Glen
Steamer.
Marine Museum 2
Scow.
Mark One
Tug.
Monkey Wrench
A schooner that was scuttled in the Amherst Island Graveyard. Real name unknown.
Munson 30 April 1890A dredger that sank in 4 minutes due to leaking plank, off Lemoine Point.[14]
Nisbet Grammer 26 May 1926A lake freighter that sank in a collision with the Dalwarnic off Somerset.
SS Noronic 17 September 1949A Great Lakes cruise ship that burned and sank at Toronto dock, with over 100 passengers killed.
Ocean Wave 1853Paddlewheeler.
Olive Branch
Schooner.
Oliver Mowat
Schooner.
HMS Ontario 31 October 1780A British 22-gun brig-sloop sunk in a storm on Lake Ontario, discovered in 2008.  The oldest shipwreck ever found on the Great Lakes.
St. Peter 27 October 1898A schooner that was wrecked near Pultneyville.43°18′42″N 77°7′52″W / 43.31167°N 77.13111°W / 43.31167; -77.13111 (St. Peter (shipwreck))
Queen Mary
A steamer that was scuttled in the Amherst Island Graveyard. Real name unknown.
R.H. Rae
Schooner.
Ricky's Tug
Scuttled in the Amherst Island Graveyard. Real name unknown.
HMS St Lawrence
A wooden warship that served in the War of 1812. The ship was decommissioned and her hull was used as a storage facility by Morton's Brewery in Kingston. In January 1832, the hull was sold to Robert Drummond for £25. Later, it was sunk close to shore, and is now a popular diving attraction.44°13′14″N 76°30′18″W / 44.22056°N 76.50500°W / 44.22056; -76.50500 (HMS St Lawrence (1814))
S.M. Douglas
A former White Star dredger.
HMS Speedy 8 October 1804A schooner that sank off Brighton, Lake Ontario.43°48′50″N76°47′20″W / 43.814°N 76.789°W / 43.814; -76.789 (HMS Speedy (1798))
USS Sylph 1823A schooner that served in the War of 1812.
Terry's Tug
Tug.
HMS Toronto 1811A schooner that sank off Hanlan's Point, Toronto Islands, Lake Ontario.
Unknown

43°27′N 77°26′W / 43.450°N 77.433°W / 43.450; -77.433
Washington 1803Commercial sloop owned by Canadians, built by Americans on Lake Erie, sunk off Oswego.[15]
Waterlily
Steam barge.
William Jamieson
Schooner.
William Johnston
A tug that sank off 9-Mile Point.44°07′N 76°33′W / 44.117°N 76.550°W / 44.117; -76.550 (William Johnston)
HMS Wolfe (later HMS Montreal)
A freshwater sloop of war that served in the War of 1812. She was ordered broken up and sold in 1831, and is presumed to have rotted and sunk at Kingston. The wreck, identified as HMS Montreal by Parks Canada in 2006, lies near the Royal Military College of Canada.44°13′N 76°27′W / 44.217°N 76.450°W / 44.217; -76.450 (HMS Wolfe (1813))
Wolfe Islander II
Car ferry.


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Lake Superior[edit]

ShipSunk dateNotesCoordinates
SS Algoma 7 November 1885Ran aground off the shore of Mott Island.48°6′41″N 88°31′55″W / 48.11139°N 88.53194°W / 48.11139; -88.53194 (SS Algoma)
Amboy 1905Ran aground during the Mataafa Storm of 1905.47°28.674′N 90°59.898′W / 47.477900°N 90.998300°W / 47.477900; -90.998300 (Amboy)
SS America 7 June 1928A passenger and delivery ship that ran aground on a reef off the shore of Isle Royale.47°53′39″N 89°13′15″W / 47.89417°N 89.22083°W / 47.89417; -89.22083 (SS America)
Antelope 7 October 1897Schooner-barge sank near Apostle Islands. Wreck discovered in 2016 near Michigan Island[16]
SS Arlington 1 May 1940A steamship that broke apart in heavy seas.48°27′29″N87°40′12″W / 48.458°N 87.670°W / 48.458; -87.670 (SS Arlington)
SS Bannockburn 21 November 1902A steel hulled freighter that went missing on Lake Superior.
SS Benjamin Noble 28 April 1914Lost off Duluth; found 2004.[17] 46°56′N 91°40′W / 46.933°N 91.667°W / 46.933; -91.667 (SS Benjamin Noble)
Big Bay sloop
Unidentified sloop believed to date from 1880-1920.
SS Chester A. Congdon 6 November 1918A bulk steel freighter that ran aground in fog off Isle Royale.48°11′36″N 88°30′52″W / 48.19333°N 88.51444°W / 48.19333; -88.51444 (Chester A. Congdon)
City of Ashland 8 August 1887A steam powered tugboat, which caught fire near the shore of its namesake city, Ashland, Wisconsin.
City of Bangor 30 November 1926A steamer that was stranded in a storm with a cargo of 248 Chryslers.
Comet 26 August 1875Cargo and passenger steamship that suffered a series of maritime accidents before her final collision with the Manitoba in Whitefish Bay.46°43.02′N 84°52.00′W / 46.71700°N 84.86667°W / 46.71700; -84.86667 (Comet)
SS Cumberland 25 July 1887A paddlewheeler that struck a reef near Rock of Ages Light.47°51′28″N 89°19′32″W / 47.85778°N 89.32556°W / 47.85778; -89.32556 (SS Cumberland)
SS Cyprus 11 October 1907A lake freighter that capsized near Deer Park.46°47′N85°36′W / 46.79°N 85.60°W / 46.79; -85.60 (SS Cyprus)
SS D.M. Clemson 1 December 1908Went missing on Lake Superior on 1 December 1908.
SS Edmund Fitzgerald 10 November 1975Lost in a storm on Lake Superior, the Fitzgerald is one of the largest ships to have sunk in the Great Lakes. The exact cause of the disaster has never been made clear, and has been the subject of much discussion.46°59.91′N 85°06.61′W / 46.99850°N 85.11017°W / 46.99850; -85.11017 (SS Edmund Fitzgerald)
SS Emperor 4 June 1947A freighter that ran aground off Isle Royale.48°12′2″N 88°29′30″W / 48.20056°N 88.49167°W / 48.20056; -88.49167 (SS Emperor)
USS Essex 13 October 1931A decommissioned U.S. Navy steam sloop that was scrapped and burned to the waterline. Her hull is the only surviving remnant of a vessel built by Donald McKay.[18] 46°42′46″N 92°01′43″W / 46.71278°N 92.02861°W / 46.71278; -92.02861 (USS Essex)
SS George Spencer 28 November 1905A wooden freighter that ran aground in the Mataafa Storm of 1905.47°28.41′N 90°59.59′W / 47.47350°N 90.99317°W / 47.47350; -90.99317 (SS George Spencer)
SS Glenlyon 1 November 1924A freighter that ran aground off Menagerie Island.47°57′8″N 88°44′53″W / 47.95222°N 88.74806°W / 47.95222; -88.74806 (SS Glenlyon)
Gunilda 11 August 1911A yacht that ran up on McGarvey's Shoals, Lake Superior.48°45′N 87°23′W / 48.750°N 87.383°W / 48.750; -87.383 (Gunilda)
SS George M. Cox
A ship that ran aground on a calm day.
SS Harriet B. May 3, 1922Lost off Two Harbors after being rammed in fog.
SS Henry B. Smith 10 November 1913Lost in Lake Superior during the Great Lakes Storm of 1913.46°54′50″N87°19′59″W / 46.914°N 87.333°W / 46.914; -87.333 (SS Henry B. Smith)
SS Henry Chisholm 20 October 1898A wooden freighter that sank off the shore of Isle Royale.47°51′28″N 89°19′32″W / 47.85778°N 89.32556°W / 47.85778; -89.32556 (SS Henry Chisholm)
SS Henry Steinbrenner 11 May 1953Great Lakes freighter lost in Lake Superior.
Hesper 1905, May 3A Wooden bulk-freighter steamship that sank in a snowstorm at Silver Bay.47°16′17″N 91°16′18″W / 47.27139°N 91.27167°W / 47.27139; -91.27167 (Hesper)
SS Hudson 16 September 1901An iron hulled steamer that was lost with all hands off Eagle Harbor.47°35′N 88°10′W / 47.583°N 88.167°W / 47.583; -88.167 (SS Hudson)
SS Iosco 2 September 1905A wooden steamer that sank near the Huron Islands
Ira H. Owen November 28, 1905Early steel steamer lost off Outer Island with all hands46°58.939′N 090°13.292′W / 46.982317°N 90.221533°W / 46.982317; -90.221533 (Ira H. Owen)
Invincible 1816A wooden ship employed in the fur trade by the Northwest Company. It sank in a storm. Generally considered to be the first recorded ship to sink in the Great Lakes.
J. S. Seaverns 10 May 1884Sank off Michipicoten, no lives lost. Wreck discovered in 2016.[19][20]
SS John B. Cowle (1902) 12 July 1909Sank in Whitefish Bay with the loss of 14 lives after colliding with the Isaac M. Scott.[21] 46°44.435′N 84°57.877′W / 46.740583°N 84.964617°W / 46.740583; -84.964617 (SS John B. Cowle)
John M. Osborn 27 July 1884Wooden steam barge rammed by 'terror of the lakes' Alberta.46°51.974′N 85°05.210′W / 46.866233°N 85.086833°W / 46.866233; -85.086833 (John M. Osborn)
SS Kamloops 7 December 1927A Canadian canaller that sank off Isle Royale.48°5′6″N 88°45′53″W / 48.08500°N 88.76472°W / 48.08500; -88.76472 (SS Kamloops)
SS Lafayette 28 November 1905A steel hulled bulk freighter that broke in half near Two Harbors, Minnesota.
SS Lambton 18 April 1922Canadian lighthouse tender that sank in Whitefish Bay
Lucerne November 1886A commercial schooner that sank off the coast of Long Island.46°43.389′N 90°46.035′W / 46.723150°N 90.767250°W / 46.723150; -90.767250 (Lucerne)
Madeira 28 November 1905A casualty of the Mataafa Storm in 1905.47°12′22″N 91°21′29″W / 47.20611°N 91.35806°W / 47.20611; -91.35806 (Madeira (shipwreck))
Marquette 1903A bulk freighter that sank off Michigan Island.46°49.912′N 90°25.784′W / 46.831867°N 90.429733°W / 46.831867; -90.429733 (Marquette)
May Flower June 2, 1891Two-masted scow schooner that capsized off the Lester River.[22] 46°48′12″N 92°00′40″W / 46.80333°N 92.01111°W / 46.80333; -92.01111 (May Flower)
Miztec 13 May 1921A schooner barge that survived the 1919 storm that took her partner, the SS Myron.  The Miztec's good fortune ended when she sank in 1921 with the loss of all hands.  She came to rest next to the Myron.46°48.073′N 85°04.500′W / 46.801217°N 85.075000°W / 46.801217; -85.075000 (Miztec)
SS M.M. Drake 2 October 1901Sank off Vermilion Point on Lake Superior.[21] 46°46.588′N 85°05.933′W / 46.776467°N 85.098883°W / 46.776467; -85.098883 (SS M.M. Drake)
SS Monarch 6 December 1906A passenger and delivery freighter lost in a storm off Isle Royale.48°11′20″N 88°26′3″W / 48.18889°N 88.43417°W / 48.18889; -88.43417 (SS Monarch)
Moonlight September 1903A schooner that sank off the coast of Michigan Island.46°49.939′N 90°22.703′W / 46.832317°N 90.378383°W / 46.832317; -90.378383 (Moonlight)
SS Myron 23 November 1919Lumber hooker lost in a storm on Lake Superior.46°48.463′N 85°01.646′W / 46.807717°N 85.027433°W / 46.807717; -85.027433 (SS Myron)
Niagara 4 June 1904Large wooden rafting tug ran aground at Knife Island46°56′45″N91°46′16″W / 46.945751°N 91.771245°W / 46.945751; -91.771245 (Niagara)
Noquebay 6 October 1905A wooden schooner that caught fire and sank off Stockton Island.46°55.568′N 90°32.717′W / 46.926133°N 90.545283°W / 46.926133; -90.545283 (Noquebay)
SS Onoko 14 September 1915Sprang a leak and sank near Knife River 46°50.772′N 91°46.640′W / 46.846200°N 91.777333°W / 46.846200; -91.777333 (SS Onoko)
Ottawa 13 November 1909A tugboat that caught fire after rescuing a stranded steamboat.
Pretoria 1905A schooner-barge that sank off Outer Island in 1905.47°05.36′N 90°23.66′W / 47.08933°N 90.39433°W / 47.08933; -90.39433 (Pretoria)
USS Puritan 27 May 1933A commercial steamship (renamed George M. Cox in 1933) that struck a reef near Rock of Ages Light.47°51′28″N 89°19′32″W / 47.85778°N 89.32556°W / 47.85778; -89.32556 (USS Puritan)
R.G. Stewart 4 June 1899A commercial Packet steamer that caught fire and sank off the coast of Michigan Island.
SS Robert Wallace 17 November 1902A wooden freighter that sank after her stern pipe burst.46°50.837′N 91°43.736′W / 46.847283°N 91.728933°W / 46.847283; -91.728933 (SS Robert Wallace)
SS Sagamore 29 July 1901A whaleback barge, sank in a collision with Northern Queen near Iroquois Point in Whitefish Bay.46°31.085′N 84°37.935′W / 46.518083°N 84.632250°W / 46.518083; -84.632250 (SS Sagamore)
SS Samuel Mather 21 November 1891Sank in a collision with the Brazil off Iroquois Point in Whitefish Bay with no loss of life.[21] 46°34.308′N 084°42.325′W / 46.571800°N 84.705417°W / 46.571800; -84.705417 (SS Samuel Mather)
Samuel P. Ely 30 October 1896A schooner lost off Two Harbors 47°00′42″N 91°40′40″W / 47.01167°N 91.67778°W / 47.01167; -91.67778 (Samuel P. Ely)
SS Scotiadoc 20 June 1953Rammed by the freighter Burlington in heavy fog off Trowbridge Island, near the Sleeping Giant.
Sevona 2 September 1905A steamboat that ran aground off the coast of Sand Island.47°00.410′N 90°54.520′W / 47.006833°N 90.908667°W / 47.006833; -90.908667 (Sevona)
SS Superior City 20 August 1920Collided with Willis L. King in Whitefish Bay.46°43.51′N 84°52.37′W / 46.72517°N 84.87283°W / 46.72517; -84.87283 (SS Superior City)
T.H. Camp 16 November 1900A wooden tugboat that sank between Madeline and Basswood Islands.
SS Theano 17 November 1906A steel ocean steamer that sank in deep water after striking a reef.48°18′N 88°52′W / 48.300°N 88.867°W / 48.300; -88.867 (SS Theano)
Thomas Wilson 7 June 1902Struck by the wooden steamer George Hadley and sunk less than a mile out of the Duluth Ship Canal.[23] 46°47′0″N 92°4′10″W / 46.78333°N 92.06944°W / 46.78333; -92.06944 (Thomas Wilson)
SS Vienna 17 September 1892Rammed by Nipigon in Whitefish Bay.46°44′N 84°57′W / 46.733°N 84.950°W / 46.733; -84.950 (SS Vienna)
SS William C. Moreland 18 October 1910A 600 ft (180 m) long steel hulled bulk freighter that ran aground on Sawtooth Reef.47°24.84′N 88°19.73′W / 47.41400°N 88.32883°W / 47.41400; -88.32883 (SS William C. Moreland)
SS Western Reserve 30 August 1892Broke in two in a summer storm on Lake Superior.


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The List of shipwrecks of Isle Royale includes more than 25 ships that have been sunk near Isle Royale in Lake Superior (North America). Isle Royale has been an obstacle to shipping on Lake Superior since the earliest days.

Upon its reefs, more than 25 major wrecks have occurred. Some were refloated, but most never left.

Still to be found beneath the waves of Lake Superior are the wooden sidewheeler, Cumberland (1877); bulk freighter, Chester Congdon (1918); and the first 10,000-long-ton (10,000 t) Canadian wheat packet, Emperor (1947). Earlier, the Kamloops which "went missing" in 1927 was found on the northern shore of the island in 1977.

The earliest recorded wrecks were the Madeline (1839) and the Siskiwit (1840) of the American Fur Company. Many smaller French "ships" were reported upon Lake Superior in the 18th century, which were gone before the English arrival in 1763. Along the north shore of the lake, the most celebrated wreck is that of the America which served as a connection between Isle Royale and the mainland and was a highway from Duluth, Minnesota, to Port Arthur, Ontario.[1]

To the west and south of Isle Royale is the Rock of Ages Lighthouse. Built in 1908, the light has provided the ships of Lake Superior with assurances that the Rock of Ages reef would be found by the captain, before the reef found the ship. But that was too late or too little for the three residents lying atop the reef.

The Passenger Steamer Cumberland had spent 21–23 July 1877 aground on a bar near Nipigon, Ontario, just prior to heading out into the clear lake from Thunder Bay. She was headed to Duluth, running in clear weather with a light breeze out of the south, when she ran hard upon the reef. A salvage crew tried to float the ship off the reef, but gave up when the weather turned sour in early August. The 'elements' of the lake have left only scattered sections of her hull, sidewheel and anchor from 20 to 140 feet (6 to 43 m) deep on the Rock of Ages Reef.[2]  

Nearby to the southwest lies the Henry Chisholm. Sunday, October 1898 she was headed east towards the Soo when her tow separated in a storm north of Copper Harbor, Michigan. On the morning of the 20th, while preparing to begin a search of the Isle Royale harbors for the tow Martin, the Chisholm ran hard atop the reef. So badly damaged was the hull that the salvage crew estimated that it would take 8–10 pumps to lower the water in the hold. With bad weather expected at any time, it was abandoned to the lake. Today, she rests amongst the remains of the Cumberland, the steam engine being the identifiable remains.[3]  

To the east lies the George M. Cox. It was on the night of May 28, 1933, that the Cox struck the reef in a heavy fog. The Cox had been headed for Fort William and was making a good 10 statute miles per hour (16 km/h) in a calm lake when she struck. The impact was so great that the boilers ripped loose. The craft then settled onto the reef with a 90-degree tilt. Many pictures have been seen of the Cox, with its bow standing high out of the water, and the stern lapped by the waves. Again, the damage exceeded the ability of salvagers to remove her from the grave.[4]  

Each of these ships can still be visited by divers who brave the temperatures, which get as low as 34 °F (1 °C).[5]




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It's a catalogue of disaster.
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"When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck, sayin fellas it's too rough to feed ya. At 7 p.m. a main hatchway caved in, he said fellas it's been good t'know ya.
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Remembering the S.S. Edmund Fitzgerald, https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/70951/12-doomed-facts-about-ss-edmund-fitzgerald .                   

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I was on my back from deer hunting with my uncle when we heard the news on the radio. The gales of November came early.
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I was on my back from deer hunting with my uncle when we heard the news on the radio. The gales of November came early.



This is sadly true.

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My cousins husband just came back from deer hunting on Cockburn Island which is in the upper part of Lake Huron. For the Americans here it is the last Island north before you hit Drummond Island which is considered in American territory. They go back and forth to Island by a tug boat which is owned by the husbands brother. They went to leave and it was snowing hard and the water was too rough the owner though even for his tug boat. They delayed the trip 6 hours and tried again but the husband said even then the trip was terrible with the wind and rough waters and he was glad when they made land. I don't thing myself that November has even been a good month to be on the great Lakes if you can't at least reach out and touch shore. To the Major who I have send the odd picture to of the Island, yes the husband bagged a deer again this year.

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I should have put this on last year. 101 years ago this week three newly built minesweepers sailed from Fort William, Ontario for mine clearance duties in Europe. As they sailed across Lake Superior they encountered a severe storm lasting two days. Only the Sebastopol made it to Sault Ste Marie at the eastern end, the Inkerman and the Cerisoles disappeared without trace taking their 78 crewmen with them. It remains largest loss of life on the Great Lakes.

When I first read about this last year my first thought was that someone had got their facts wrong, how could three ocean-going ships built on Lake Superior 1000 miles from the sea possibly be heading for Europe? But when I looked into it I found a series of rivers/canals connecting the Great Lakes, thus a city as far west as Duluth is a major port for ocean-going vessels. I never realized that.   

How big a ship could Duluth handle then so far from the sea? And what is the route? 

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From Duluth or Thunder Bay they travel down Lake Superior to the locks at Sault Ste Marie and then into Lake Huron. From there through Lake Huron to Sarnia and down the St Clair River to Lake St Clair. They exit the Lake at Detroit and Windsor and follow the Detroit river down to Lake Erie. They sail through Lake Erie to the Welland canal. The canal bypasses Niagara Falls and empties into Lake Ontario. From there they sail the length of the lake east and enter the locks on the St Lawrence river. From there it's follow the river east until they hit open ocean.

It's funny that I seen this today because yesterday evening over coffee my Cousins husband and I were discussing the day in November when the Edmond Fitz Gerald went down. He was over on Cockburn Island with his brother and the brothers tug boat at the time. On their way back the lake got so bad and especially the wind that they couldn't do the 21 mile crossing straight to the main shore without first crossing over from Cockburn Island to Drummond Island and then shadowing it right around to try and keep out of the wind. He said it took them over 6 hours to get back to Blind River where the tug parked. He said him and his brother were both wearing immersions suits but like he said the only good they would have been is making it easier to find their bodies. 

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From Duluth or Thunder Bay they travel down Lake Superior to the locks at Sault Ste Marie and then into Lake Huron. From there through Lake Huron to Sarnia and down the St Clair River to Lake St Clair. They exit the Lake at Detroit and Windsor and follow the Detroit river down to Lake Erie. They sail through Lake Erie to the Welland canal. The canal bypasses Niagara Falls and empties into Lake Ontario. From there they sail the length of the lake east and enter the locks on the St Lawrence river. From there it's follow the river east until they hit open ocean.

It's funny that I seen this today because yesterday evening over coffee my Cousins husband and I were discussing the day in November when the Edmond Fitz Gerald went down. He was over on Cockburn Island with his brother and the brothers tug boat at the time. On their way back the lake got so bad and especially the wind that they couldn't do the 21 mile crossing straight to the main shore without first crossing over from Cockburn Island to Drummond Island and then shadowing it right around to try and keep out of the wind. He said it took them over 6 hours to get back to Blind River where the tug parked. He said him and his brother were both wearing immersions suits but like he said the only good they would have been is making it easier to find their bodies. 


Way back when, on nice summer nights, after work & dinner, hopped on the bike after dark & headed up to Welland Ontario to watch the lake boats go thru the locks. On the way back stopped at the Stevensville Hotel for libations, many wonderful memories of that time period. I know I have posted similar adventures before & Pete knows about the old hotel when you got 21 shrimp in a basket for $1.85. These were the days before passports were needed to cross over the Peace Bridge & all you were asked was; Citizenship, where you going, for how long? The Great Lakes has had huge maritime trade for centuries now. Including not only hauling ore & grain, but shipbuilding as well.

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Way back when, on nice summer nights, after work & dinner, hopped on the bike after dark & headed up to Welland Ontario to watch the lake boats go thru the locks. On the way back stopped at the Stevensville Hotel for libations, many wonderful memories of that time period. I know I have posted similar adventures before & Pete knows about the old hotel when you got 21 shrimp in a basket for $1.85. These were the days before passports were needed to cross over the Peace Bridge & all you were asked was; Citizenship, where you going, for how long? The Great Lakes has had huge maritime trade for centuries now. Including not only hauling ore & grain, but shipbuilding as well. It also helped open up the West because there were no roads heading north to travel on to get to the west. Many of the small trading posts that relieve on water travel then turned into Forts and later great cities like Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo. Still gives my wife and I a smile Tommy every time we here or thing of the Welland Canal. We were both on the same school excursion in grade 6 when we stopped to see the canal and ships moving through on our way to Niagara Falls. That's the day the Principal said don't go to close to the edge because if you fall in your dead. There was a ship on the low side coming from Lake Ontario heading for Lake Erie. Lake Erie is higher than Lake Ontario so the ship pulls into the lock and they flood it to raise it up to the next level. I thinks there's 8 locks now where this is repeated raising the ship before it reaches Lake Erie. Anyway, simple Georgie is looking down at the ship on the low side and decided to slide along the railing and look at the high side. He doesn't notice that the guard rail has an opening in it where there is a set of wall rung stairs going down and beneath the water. He runs out of railing and falls 15 feet and hits the water. Luckily he isn't hurt from the fall but has to do the dog paddle to get himself back to the ladder. Well this is all going on, the principal is chatting up some of the mothers that are on the trip as chaperones. My mother is one of them. One of the girls that seen Georgie fall in runs up to the Principal and says Mr. Fallis Mr. Fallis and the Principal tells her not to interrupt him while he speaking. After he says a few more sentences she pipes up again, Mr. Fallis and he finally says what is it and is mad that he has been interrupted again. She blurts out Georgie fell in the Canal. You wouldn't believe how much his face changed because he figures the kid is dead for sure. If he had fallen on the low side he would be dead on landing on the ship deck which was pretty far below. The kids yell over here over here and he arrives just in time to help Georgie up the last couple of iron rungs by his ears. The rest of the trip was uneventful other that Georgie had to sit at the back of the bus in his underwear waiting for his clothes to dry that were now hanging out the bus side widows.

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Way back when, on nice summer nights, after work & dinner, hopped on the bike after dark & headed up to Welland Ontario to watch the lake boats go thru the locks. On the way back stopped at the Stevensville Hotel for libations, many wonderful memories of that time period. I know I have posted similar adventures before & Pete knows about the old hotel when you got 21 shrimp in a basket for $1.85. These were the days before passports were needed to cross over the Peace Bridge & all you were asked was; Citizenship, where you going, for how long? The Great Lakes has had huge maritime trade for centuries now. Including not only hauling ore & grain, but shipbuilding as well. It also helped open up the West because there were no roads heading north to travel on to get to the west. Many of the small trading posts that relieve on water travel then turned into Forts and later great cities like Milwaukee, Detroit, Chicago, Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo. Still gives my wife and I a smile Tommy every time we here or thing of the Welland Canal. We were both on the same school excursion in grade 6 when we stopped to see the canal and ships moving through on our way to Niagara Falls. That's the day the Principal said don't go to close to the edge because if you fall in your dead. There was a ship on the low side coming from Lake Ontario heading for Lake Erie. Lake Erie is higher than Lake Ontario so the ship pulls into the lock and they flood it to raise it up to the next level. I thinks there's 8 locks now where this is repeated raising the ship before it reaches Lake Erie. Anyway, simple Georgie is looking down at the ship on the low side and decided to slide along the railing and look at the high side. He doesn't notice that the guard rail has an opening in it where there is a set of wall rung stairs going down and beneath the water. He runs out of railing and falls 15 feet and hits the water. Luckily he isn't hurt from the fall but has to do the dog paddle to get himself back to the ladder. Well this is all going on, the principal is chatting up some of the mothers that are on the trip as chaperones. My mother is one of them. One of the girls that seen Georgie fall in runs up to the Principal and says Mr. Fallis Mr. Fallis and the Principal tells her not to interrupt him while he speaking. After he says a few more sentences she pipes up again, Mr. Fallis and he finally says what is it and is mad that he has been interrupted again. She blurts out Georgie fell in the Canal. You wouldn't believe how much his face changed because he figures the kid is dead for sure. If he had fallen on the low side he would be dead on landing on the ship deck which was pretty far below. The kids yell over here over here and he arrives just in time to help Georgie up the last couple of iron rungs by his ears. The rest of the trip was uneventful other that Georgie had to sit at the back of the bus in his underwear waiting for his clothes to dry that were now hanging out the bus side widows.


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I've been on The Maid of the Mist 3 times now and it 's a fabulous trip. I remember back in the 80's travelling to Goderich in Canada, where ships loaded huge amounts of corn to ship to the US. It was a round the clock operation on the grand scale.

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I've been on The Maid of the Mist 3 times now and it 's a fabulous trip. I remember back in the 80's travelling to Goderich in Canada, where ships loaded huge amounts of corn to ship to the US. It was a round the clock operation on the grand scale.


The new boats will be capable of carrying 600 passengers & for the first sea trial they will use 55 gal water filled drums to simulate the weight carrying capacity. BTW my nephew (26 year old) is a union electrician currently working on the boats. He should be working there for at least the upcoming winter. They have to take a 10 story elevator down from the top of gorge to the water's edge to get to the boat. The same elevator that used to service the Schoelkopf (spelling) power station which collapsed into the mighty Niagara years ago.

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As you know, I was in Niagara last year and did the Maid, how can't you? From the Canadian side the American falls look, how can I put it? Not as inspiring like the Canadian side. However, when you cross over and go to them they come as a surprise just how different they look from the American side and just how much more spectacular they are when you get right close up. We went down in a lift and stood at the bottom and got soaked, it was great and as it was so hot, we dried out in no time. Back in 79, the first time we went, we crossed over and went to a famous restaurant where they served amazing meals for next to nowt. You'll find this funny, but we took photos of the menus to show people back home and photos of those meals. I'll tell you what, you wouldn't want to drop one on your foot. I was 29 and it was the first time I had ever tasted lobster. The next time we went my daughter was only 5 and like our parents, we always used to tell her to eat all her food on the plate. When her meal arrived she started crying, saying, I don't have to eat all that do I? It could have fed two adults, never mind a child. When we went to New York a few years back, we were staying for one night in an airport hotel close by, which was a disgusting shithole but anyway, we waltzed off to get something to eat and went in this Italian type place. We ordered starters and a main each and we all felt embarrassed when they came around at the end because the mains were hardly touched, the starters were so big. In front of us was a mountain of great food which probably went in the bin. My wife's apologising saying.... it's lovely, don't think we don't like it but there's too much!

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Re:Ships of the Great Lakes

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As you know, I was in Niagara last year and did the Maid, how can't you? From the Canadian side the American falls look, how can I put it? Not as inspiring like the Canadian side. However, when you cross over and go to them they come as a surprise just how different they look from the American side and just how much more spectacular they are when you get right close up. We went down in a lift and stood at the bottom and got soaked, it was great and as it was so hot, we dried out in no time. Back in 79, the first time we went, we crossed over and went to a famous restaurant where they served amazing meals for next to nowt. You'll find this funny, but we took photos of the menus to show people back home and photos of those meals. I'll tell you what, you wouldn't want to drop one on your foot. I was 29 and it was the first time I had ever tasted lobster. The next time we went my daughter was only 5 and like our parents, we always used to tell her to eat all her food on the plate. When her meal arrived she started crying, saying, I don't have to eat all that do I? It could have fed two adults, never mind a child. When we went to New York a few years back, we were staying for one night in an airport hotel close by, which was a disgusting shithole but anyway, we waltzed off to get something to eat and went in this Italian type place. We ordered starters and a main each and we all felt embarrassed when they came around at the end because the mains were hardly touched, the starters were so big. In front of us was a mountain of great food which probably went in the bin. My wife's apologising saying.... it's lovely, don't think we don't like it but there's too much!


Yes Major, the Canadian Horseshoe Falls are far more spectacular than the American which has lots of rocks at the base. By the same token there has never been a survivor going over the American because of them. From your explanation of the restaurants I will guess one was John's Flaming Hearth, & the Italian one was definitely the Como. When Kruschev visited, he was taken to John's to dine.

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Re:Ships of the Great Lakes

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My missus tells me it was called Pete's market. When you ordered a spirit coffee, with the floated cream, they gave you the glass with their name and the year on and we still have them, only ever getting them out at Christmas.

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Re:Ships of the Great Lakes

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Everyone seems to have heard of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald but not of the greater disaster the loss of the Inkerman and the Cerisoles, perhaps because the former is in living memory.

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