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1 May 1464 - Edward IV, King of England married Lady Elizabeth Grey (Woodville).

The first marriage between a King of England and a commoner. How they met remains unclear, one suggestion is that as King Edward's Yorkist army was passing through Northamptonshire in 1461 Lady Grey, the widow of Sir John Grey who had been killed several months previously fighting the Yorkists, threw herself into the King's path to appeal for the restoration of her husband's lands to provide for her two young sons. It is thought that Edward was enamoured of her beauty and spirit and aimed to make her his mistress, but she refused his advances (a narrative acted out 70 years later by Anne Boleyn) leaving the King no choice but marriage as his ardour grew.

According to tradition three years later the 22 year old Edward slipped away from his army as it marched through the same district and rode alone to Grafton Regis, Elizabeth's home, and in a hasty private ceremony he married the 27 year old.

It was an extraordinary act for the King who was Europe's most eligible batchelor, the King of France was making arrangements for a match with one of his female relations, a union that would have strengthened Edward's hand in the still simmering war with the Lancastrians. The marriage was kept secret for five months until Edward announced it when the French were pressing him for an answer to their proposals.

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11 May 973 - Edgar crowned King of England.

Edgar succeeded to the Throne in 959 aged about 16, his coronation however was postponed for many years by the Archbishop of Canterbury Dunstan who refused to carry out the ceremony until Edgar amended his way of life.

When it finally went ahead at Bath Abbey it was a far more elaborate procedure than previous coronations with the emphasis more on the religious element of the annointing of the King as God's chosen one than the actual crowning ceremony. It was also the first in which a detailed procedure was laid down and has been the basis of every coronation since with little alteration.

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Mark, and what exactly were some 16 year olds' evil ways that had to be amended before his ascension was allowed? Was he only "chosen" by God after approved by the good padre?
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It's not clear after over 1000 years what Archbishop Dunstan was referring to, for a living saint a normal life might seem licentious. It had a lot to do with I think his elder brother King Edwy who left his coronation banquet early to meet two ladies and was caught with them, he was only about 14/15 at the time. He died in 959 aged no more than 17/18 and Dunstan may have intended to keep the young Edgar on the straight and narrow.

The act of coronation, or more so annointing, at the time was the recognition that you were God's annointed and therefore above everyone else and as such had a standard to maintain in your lifestyle.

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Would it be fair to say he was chosen by God & then ratified by man?
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It had a lot to do with I think his elder brother King Edwy who left his coronation banquet early to meet two ladies and was caught with them, he was only about 14/15 at the time. If there's grass on the wicket, it's time for cricket, I always say.
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An interesting turn of phrase, Major.
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Would it be fair to say he was chosen by God & then ratified by man?


That's put it very well. In the early Middle Ages (after 1066) the King of England's reign did not begin until his coronation, this resulted in periods of several weeks with no consecrated King, only a King-in-waiting as it were.

When Henry III died in 1272 his son Edward was on Crusade in the Holy Land, so he was proclaimed King in his absence to avoid the difficulty of having no King for months. Thus the practice of proclaiming a King then holding a coronation at a later date began.

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12 May 1191 - Richard I, King of England married Berengaria of Navarre.

In 1188 secret talks began between England and Navarre for the marriage of Prince Richard, heir to the English Throne and Berengaria, daughter of the King of Navarre. Secret because Richard was already betrothed to Alice sister of Philippe II, King of France.

The following year Richard became King of England and within months sailed on Crusade to the Holy Land. He arrived in Messina, Sicily in September 1190 with King Philippe as joint leaders of the proposed Crusade. Meanwhile Berengaria, escorted by Richard's mother, was making her way slowly by land from Navarre (in the north of modern Spain) to the south of Italy. Shortly before her arrival in March 1191 Richard informed Philippe that he was not going to marry his sister Alice and that his actual intended bride would arrive shortly. Outraged Philippe sailed off for the Holy Land just hours before Berengaria arrived in Messina.

A few days later Richard and his intended set off themselves, in separate ships, following Philippe eastwards. The two met again in Cyprus early in May where they were married in St George's Chapel, Limassol.

They sailed together for the Holy Land arriving at Acre in June. They were to be apart for most of their marriage, Richard was more often than not absent fighting and even after their (separate) return from the Near East they were rarely together. Berengaria in fact never visited England during the eight years of her marriage to Richard, she resided in Normandy, and was not called to his death bed as he lay dying from an infected wound in 1199 (see 6 April). There were no children from the marriage.    

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A recent piece on the History channel mentions Acre harbor where divers searched for artifacts from the Knights Templar. Apparently Acre was their last stronghold before being overwhelmed by the Muzzies. The Knights Templar fled via sea.
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If we knew the exact name of the program Tommy we could probably post it for all to see now.

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Acre was the last Crusader-held place on the mainland to fall to the Muslims in 1291, but the Knights Templars held out on the island fortress of Ruad two miles off Tortosa until 1303.

Acre was the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem for almost as many years as Jerusalem itself - Jerusalem 1099-1187 & 1229-44; Acre 1187-1229 & 1244-91.  

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Berengaria has always seemed a sad figure in history to me.  If she had had a son, history would have been a lot different.
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 "No Archie in top US baby names, but Meghan is rising fast" is at https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2019/may/10/no-archie-top-us-baby-names-meghan-rising-fast/494412/ .Archie doesn't make the Top 10 boys' names in U.S.


I shared this article on my Facebook page, yesterday. This is my comments.

"I still say, that Albert would be a better name. It is used in both the US and Great Britain. It is one of Prince Harry's middle names. Archie is short for Archibald. Why didn't they name him Archibald and call him Archie? I would not be surprised, if he changed his name, later on. Harrison is a last name. His first and middle names, are not pretty."



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I couldn't agree more, Teresa.  The name is bad enough as it is; they should have honored the royal family.
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13 May 1717 - Maria Theresa, Archduchess of Austria 1740-80, born.

One of the two great female figures of the 18th century, the other being Catherine the Great of Russia.

Maria Theresa, Austria's only female ruler, owed her accession to her father changing the laws of succession to allow for a female ruler. But he could do nothing about the Imperial title that was all but hereditary in the Austrian Habsburgs. So it was arranged that her husband Francis, Grand Duke of Tuscany would stand for election instead. After losing to the Elector of Bavaria in 1742 Francis succeeded at the second attempt in 1745 after the Bavarian interloper died.

Maria Theresa was a reformer and hugely popular, especially the years 1740 to her husband's death in 1765, thereafter she ruled jointly with her son Joseph. She gave birth to 16 children in 19 years yet still was able to govern Austria successfully.

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I don't know if Harry is a bit of a rebel still. His running around naked with ladies of the night in Vegas and him dressing up as a Nazi at halloween party didn't sit well with his grandmother.

He doesn't go the paparazzi with their constant hounding and he and William both still see them as a contributing factor to their mother's death, so could be a reason for a lack of pictures yet.

The feet picture may have been taken by William's wife.


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Maria Theresa surely did it all.  She married off her children well and still ruled the country. 
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William and Kate don't tolerate a lot of papparaztzi either.  It is quite understandable for both Harry and William.  I was still disappointed in the picture.  A private one could have been posted.  Kate is an excellent photographer.
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They blame them for their mother's untimely death. Detective Tommy knows it was MI6.
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14 May 1610 - Henri IV, King of Navarre 1572-1610 and King of France 1589-1610, assassinated.

One of France's greatest Kings. Brought up a Calvinist he inherited the Throne in 1589 in the midst of the seemingly endless French Wars of Religion. His skill in holding out against his divided opponents, the supporters of a Catholic rival, enabled him to complete his master stroke in 1593 when he converted to Catholicism thus ending the war.

His reign saw an economic revival and the resurgance of French power in Europe after years of stagnation.

However he made enemies, one of them a deranged and fanatical Catholic schoolmaster Francois Ravaillac who saw his planned invasion of the Spanish Netherlands as the first step in a plot against the Pope. He was also outraged at the King's perceived leniency towards Protestant heretics. 13 May 1610 the long-awaited coronation of Queen Marie was held in Paris. The following day King Henri was being driven in his carriage through the crowded Paris streets when it was brought to a stop in a traffic jam at a junction. Ravaillac who was lying in wait at that point leapt onto the wheel of the King's coach and reaching through the window stabbed him four times. He died before help could be found. 

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 Kate is an excellent photographer. I can't say for sure that she took the picture Shula but dollars to donuts she did.

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They blame them for their mother's untimely death. Detective Tommy knows it was MI6. 


 Would just be like those guys at M16 to get the driver all liquored up first before they let him race through Paris at 3 times the speed limit.

My question would be if Diana's body guard knew that the driver was a bit tipsy why did he let him drive the car with the person it was his job to protect in the back seat in the first place. He should have been driving in my opinion because body guards don't drink when they are guarding someone.

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Look Pete, Diana was "doing" a darkie & that was looked down upon by the royals. Mostly cause it was in public, & her genes got passed on down to Harry. Conclusion, it was MI6 whodoneit.
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Conclusion - you're crackers.
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Let him carry on Mark, he's enjoying himself. His observations seem a lot better that what the Major is trying to push on us with no Russian involvement of any kind in the 2016 elections because Trump told him so.

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"Look Pete, Diana was "doing" a darkie & that was looked down upon by the royals. Mostly cause it was in public, & her genes got passed on down to Harry. Conclusion, it was MI6 whodoneit."



In my opinion, Prince Harry favors Diana's family, the Spencer's. 

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That is probably true. Would have to know where everyone lives and the distance between each because that would make a difference.

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15 May 1567 - Mary, Queen of Scots married James Hepburn, 4th Earl of Bothwell. Mary made make grave mistakes during her life, but the most catastrophic was her marriage to Lord Bothwell. Her second husband and father of her son, Lord Darnley was murdered in February 1567 (see 10 February). Chief among the suspects was Lord Bothwell a prominent courtier and rumoured lover of the Queen. He was arrested and tried for murder but acquitted in April, whereupon he took drastic action to secure his position. He abducted Queen Mary as she rode between Linlithgow and Edinburgh and carried her to his castle at Dunbar. Here it alleged she was raped by him. Whatever happened Mary seems to have suffered a mental breakdown and fell completely under his power, for three weeks later on 15 May she and Bothwell were married in the Palace of Holyrood, Edinburgh.   This act outraged pretty well everyone, the Lords who had been glad to see the end of Lord Darnley were appalled that the Queen could marry the man still suspected of his murder. They raised an army and met the Queen's forces led by Bothwell at Carberry Hill in June. There was no battle, Bothwell's men fled and Bothwell himself escaped eventually to Denmark, he and Mary never saw each other again. Abandoned and alone Mary miscarried of twins in July and was forced to abdicate a few days later.

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Mary is one of the unfortunates in history to be sure.  Elizabeth was by far the more intelligent of the two.  I need to read some more about Lord Darnley. 
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Darnley and Bothwell both villains of the piece, difficult to say who was the worse.
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