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1 May 1464 - Edward IV, King of England married Lady Elizabeth Grey (Woodville).

The first marriage between a King of England and a commoner. How they met remains unclear, one suggestion is that as King Edward's Yorkist army was passing through Northamptonshire in 1461 Lady Grey, the widow of Sir John Grey who had been killed several months previously fighting the Yorkists, threw herself into the King's path to appeal for the restoration of her husband's lands to provide for her two young sons. It is thought that Edward was enamoured of her beauty and spirit and aimed to make her his mistress, but she refused his advances (a narrative acted out 70 years later by Anne Boleyn) leaving the King no choice but marriage as his ardour grew.

According to tradition three years later the 22 year old Edward slipped away from his army as it marched through the same district and rode alone to Grafton Regis, Elizabeth's home, and in a hasty private ceremony he married the 27 year old.

It was an extraordinary act for the King who was Europe's most eligible batchelor, the King of France was making arrangements for a match with one of his female relations, a union that would have strengthened Edward's hand in the still simmering war with the Lancastrians. The marriage was kept secret for five months until Edward announced it when the French were pressing him for an answer to their proposals.

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Re:Royal Date of the Day : May

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Think Archie's bad? My brother knows a lad called Wayne Kerr, I mean, what was his mother thinking of? The there's the lad my wife worked with Andrew Mann.
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I was hoping I'd wake up and it was all a bad dream, but no, it really is Archie Harrison. The more I hear it the more I hate it. The Queen ought to have the power of veto like she does over Royal marriages. Prince Harry's actual name is Henry, yes.
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Shula, going back to your comments about Royal v peasants diet - there was a TV programme over here a few years ago in which two people ate like Kings from the late 17th/early 18th centuries ie meat, more meat and very few vegetables; plenty of meat being a sign of wealth while only peasants ate vegetables. They felt rather ill after it and doctors said it was the kind of diet that would make them ill long term.
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How about Harry Beaver, a real name for a real guy.
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The Queen can only kiss babies, cut ribbons, & silly wave to adorning crowds, Mark. She has no real authority.
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You'd be surprised Tom
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Certainly as regards Royal marriages, she can legally refuse permission and if a marriage goes ahead without it the union is invalid. There are several cases from the 18th and 19th centuries when a member of the Royal Family contracted a marriage without the Monarch's permission and therefore it was unlawful. The law ought to extend to babies names too!
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Further to the above see 26 March for an example.
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The BBC radio presenter Danny Baker has been sacked from the BBC for tweeting a photo of two people holding the hand of a monkey dressed in clothes, with the headline..... Royal baby leaves hospital.
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I was wondering what the general consensus was among the British population and I think I know now.  It is my considered opinion that Meghan has no respect whatsoever for the family she has married into and especially no respect for royalty.  Prince Harry is descended from kings fer chrissake and she gives him a name any commoner child would hate!  It has been reported that Harry and his grandfather are (probably "were" now) close.  You would think he could grow a pair and insist that his son carry Prince Phillip's name.  I've always thought that Harry was well aware of his position as to royal duties and his proximity to the crown.  Apparently not.  Meghan rules that roost and he will slip irrevocably to a common level.  --Or-- he will realize what is happening and we will see a royal divorce down the road.

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Mark, I am not at all surprised by the experiment with a "king's diet".  Too much meat and not enough vegetables is a poor diet indeed.


PBA, I think you are right about the attraction to the maids.

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Another thought that should have been considered in Harry and Meghan's choice of a particularly common name:  While both seem to be eager to gain the love of the "common people", I think they fail to recall in history that in a revolution, these commoners who think the name is rather cute and flattering to their own status in society now, would be the first to salivate at the thought of royal heads rolling.
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C'mon Shula, look at what the darkies have done here in the colonies. Crime rates, prison population, welfare, school dropouts, lower property values, drugs, violence, disrespect, yada, yada, yada. So now the Limeys have to worry about is a funny name? It's a lot worse than that.
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So Harry is the stock of Kings & Megan is the stock of slaves eh? Shula, remember when the game is over the Kings & Pawns go in the same box.
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What I find terrible is that the American Government will expect tax money from his mother and him. Any presents they receive or their wealth. I'd tell the States to kiss off and just wouldn't bother visiting there anymore.

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Yes, but we have naturally imported black culture, as we import everything that happens in the US, which is why 120 of them were stabbed to death  by other blacks in London alone last year and so far this year it's looking as though they will break their record of last year. We used to have a police policy of stop and search, whereby the police were lawfully allowed to stop people in the street and search them. It was a visible deterrent and it worked. So what happened to it? Well the black racist industry kicked up a fuss about what they considered to be blacks being singled out. What did they expect? If for every ten blacks you search you find five knives and one for every thirty whites, who are you going to target? I always thought the role of the police was to prevent crime, not submit to criminal complaints they're doing their job too efficiently. A copper's role is to seek out crime and prevent it and that's exactly what they were doing but as I said, the black racist industry called foul, white police targeting blacks..... blah blah blah blah and when the most powerful weapon in the western world, ie the black racist finger, is pointed in the direction of those charged with the authority to do a legitimate job, they capitulate. Guess who was the Home Secretary who stopped it at the time? Here's a clue, she went onto making capitulation a habit. Yep, Teresa May.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Meghan wants to move her family back to the USA.
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PBA, I think you are right about the attraction to the maids.


Sure I'm right Shula, the Kings were men and you know where mens minds and hands were all the time. Nothing but swines, the lot of them.

That milkmaid on the left is Elizabeth Frew and look at the strong muscles she has from milking cows and she's only 17.

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9 May 1946 - Victor Emmanuel III, King of Italy 1900-46, abdicated.

Victor Emmanuel's removal of Mussolini as Prime Minister in 1943 came too late to save him once the war was over. It was felt that for too long he had stood by while the fascist government turned Italy into a near totalitarian state and dragged it into a war it could not win. Even after Mussolini's dismissal the King failed to regain full public confidence by not joining the Allies immediately, it was six weeks before Italy declared war on Germany.

In 1944 he resigned most of his powers to his son Umberto who ruled as de facto Regent, but this wasn't enough. In March 1946 the newly installed government announced a referendum to decide on a Republic or the continuation of the Monarchy. King Victor Emmanuel decided to abdicate to give his son and the Monarchy a better chance of victory.

King Umberto II reigned for just five weeks. The referendum held on 2-3 June resulted in a narrow victory for a Republic 54%-46% and Umberto was deposed on 13 June.

The two Kings, father and son, sought exile in Egypt where the elder died 18 months later.

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Well, well, in the late 90's, America's Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, initiated "stop & frisk" laws in NY City. The "city" promptly became one of the safest big citys in America. But of course the blacks & browns were the one's being frisked because they were the one's committing the crimes. Well the current Mayor rescinded that law & read the Major's post for the answer. Same 'ol, same 'ol.
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Didn't they change the gun laws in Ny City Tommy. Someone said that it had a very positive affect on crime by doing it.

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Italy doesn't seem to have much luck with either monarchs or politicians.
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Yes, Tom.  As the Tarot card #13 shows, Death tramples all, king and peasant alike.

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I have a royal question:  Some royal parents have declined titles for their children.  I think those children should be given a choice when they become of age.  Is there a provision for this?
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No, but in some cases they have a title but prefer not to use them. A good example is Camilla, wife of the Prince of Wales, as such she IS the Princess of Wales, but uses his secondary title of Duchess of Cornwall out of a (mistaken in my opinion) deference to the Diana groupies. Baby Archie can be styled Earl of Dumbarton following the tradition of adopting his father's second title. At the moment Prince Harry says he won't use that title for his son, but if the boy wishes to call himself the Earl of Dumbarton in later life he can whatever his parents say. The Italian referendum in 1946 was split geographically; Rome, Sardinia, Sicily and the south voted to keep the Monarchy, but all but one of the districts in the more populous north voted for a Republic.
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Not recently Pete. NYC has always had the toughest gun laws in the country. Example, a NY State concealed carry pistol permit is not good in NYC. These go way back 100 years ago & are referred to as the "Sullivan Laws" named after a legislator who was targeted by some bad guys. BTW, murder is against the law too Pete, & if someone is bent on killing another what good does another gun law do? Laws are obeyed by law-abiding citizens, mud people running rampant in the inner-city buy guns & drugs on the street corners & commit crime regardless of well meaning laws. But these laws do give visiting Canadians a false sense of security while visiting. Maybe you would be safer if you tipped better?
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10 May 1403 - Katherine, Duchess of Lancaster, died.

Better known as Katherine Swynford, the mistress and later third wife of John, Duke of Lancaster "John of Gaunt".

She was a widow of about 21 with two children when she became the mistress of the Duke of Lancaster. He was in his second marriage, so the four children she bore him in the 1370s were illegitimate. His wife died in 1394 and two years later he married Katherine. Duke John died in 1399 and Katherine four years later.

Their children took the surname Beaufort and were legitimated by the Pope in 1396 and by King Richard II the following year, this act was to have enormous consequences nearly 90 years later.

In 1407 King Henry IV, son of Duke John, while recognizing his half-siblings legitimacy, specifically excluded them from the succession.

Fast forward to the 1480s and we find that the Lancastrian claimant to the English Throne is Henry Tudor who based his claim on his descent from John of Lancaster and Katherine through their eldest son, John, Earl of Somerset (1372-1410). Henry used the Papal and Royal recognition in 1396/97 of his great-grandfather to lay his claim, while ignoring Henry IV's Act of 1407 excluding him and his descendents from the succession. 

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Thanks Mark.  Perhaps when young Archie comes of age, he can capitalize on being the first black Earl of Dumbarton.  I read that Harry and Meghan said they are going to raise him gender neutral.
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This Henry Tudor's mother was Margaret Beaufort?  And he became Henry VII, defeating Richard III, and marrying Elizabeth York, fathering Henry VIII?  Whew, that was a mouthful and I sure hope I got it right.
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Spot on. Henry Tudor knew his bloodline claim was suspect, so he also claimed the Crown by right of conquest after the battle of Bosworth just to make sure.


I think the stories around the Sussexes baby will die down, gender neutral sounds very PC but in reality he will be raised the way the (modern) Royal Family would expect of someone close to the Throne. This isn't California!

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