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1 May 1464 - Edward IV, King of England married Lady Elizabeth Grey (Woodville).

The first marriage between a King of England and a commoner. How they met remains unclear, one suggestion is that as King Edward's Yorkist army was passing through Northamptonshire in 1461 Lady Grey, the widow of Sir John Grey who had been killed several months previously fighting the Yorkists, threw herself into the King's path to appeal for the restoration of her husband's lands to provide for her two young sons. It is thought that Edward was enamoured of her beauty and spirit and aimed to make her his mistress, but she refused his advances (a narrative acted out 70 years later by Anne Boleyn) leaving the King no choice but marriage as his ardour grew.

According to tradition three years later the 22 year old Edward slipped away from his army as it marched through the same district and rode alone to Grafton Regis, Elizabeth's home, and in a hasty private ceremony he married the 27 year old.

It was an extraordinary act for the King who was Europe's most eligible batchelor, the King of France was making arrangements for a match with one of his female relations, a union that would have strengthened Edward's hand in the still simmering war with the Lancastrians. The marriage was kept secret for five months until Edward announced it when the French were pressing him for an answer to their proposals.

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Re:Royal Date of the Day : May

Date Posted:06/05/2019 02:16:15Copy HTML

Well there is another royal born today, to Prince Harry & Dutchess "what's her name." The baby is a boy & I guess it is up to the Queen to bestow the "Prince" title, or not, on him. What are the odds the old bag will welcome a "darkie" into the "Princedom?"
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Date Posted:06/05/2019 03:04:28Copy HTML

Megan isn't an old bag, she's a young bag.
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Oddly under current rules the baby isn't actually a Prince; that title is only held by the children of the Monarch, the grandchildren of the sons of the Monarch and the grandchildren of the heir, so Prince Harry's son is not a Prince, but he can be created one by the Queen.

Also he hasn't been named yet, but he has a title, the Earl of Dumbarton.  

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6 May 1910 - Edward VII, King of Great Britain and the Dominions and Emperor of India 1901-10, died.

Son of Queen Victoria. He was considered slow and lazy as a child and profligate and dissolute as a young man. But by the time he became King at the age of 59 he was a respected figure. He developed a reputation as something of a diplomat and is credited with creating the conditions that led to the alliances with France and Russia in the early 1900s.

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Date Posted:07/05/2019 12:20:35Copy HTML

I think Kind Edward VII's wife was rather attractive, but apparently his long-time mistress was Camilla Parker-Bowles' great-grandmother.
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What is the prevailing bet on what Baby Sussex will be named?
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Date Posted:07/05/2019 12:48:18Copy HTML

Arthur I think is favourite, I like Alexander, don't go for Donald.
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I think Kind Edward VII's wife was rather attractive, but apparently his long-time mistress was Camilla Parker-Bowles' great-grandmother.


Yes, Alice Keppel. But the evidence suggests that she was a close companion rather than his mistress. They met in 1898 when she was 29 and Edward, still Prince of Wales, 56. His philandering days were over, but he liked female company nevertheless, Mrs Keppel (she was married to the Hon. George Keppel) falls into that category.

Edward's wfe Alexandra liked her too as a better companion than his other "mistresses". Alice's husband didn't seem to mind either. 

She visited him just hours before he died.

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7 May 1682 - Feodor III, Tsar of Russia 1676-82, died.

Eldest surviving son of Tsar Alexei, Feodor succeeded to the Throne at the age of 14. He was physically weak, even disabled, in that he had broken both his legs in a riding accident and they had not set properly, he also suffered from scurvy. Nevertheless he was highly intelligent and instituted a series of reforms to modernize the Russian civil service.

His first wife died in childbirth (the child died too) in 1681, so the following year he remarried, but just ten weeks later he died, it is said from the exertions of marriage, he was 21 years old.

His death led to a succession crisis. His heir was his younger brother 15 year old Ivan, but he too was an invalid, so it was decided that his younger half-brother (the son of Tsar Alexei's second marriage) Peter, aged just ten but fit, healthy and advanced for his age, would share the Crown.

Ivan died in 1696, but Peter lived on to become the true founder of modern Russia, and earned the title Peter the Great.

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Date Posted:08/05/2019 01:40:43Copy HTML

He was so tall.  6'8"!
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Date Posted:08/05/2019 04:48:24Copy HTML

But small hands Shula.

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Date Posted:08/05/2019 05:40:02Copy HTML

Archie Harrison for God's sake, this is Meghan's doing, I'm going off her now.
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PBA, Peter the Great also had small feet, narrow shoulders and a small head.  He must have been very smart, however, because he made many reforms and all of them good from what I understand.
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8 May 1660 - Charles II restored as King of England and Scotland.

In 1649 following the execution of Chales I the Monarchy was abolished in England, but not formally in Scotland until 1654. Charles' son, also Charles, made an attempt to regain the Throne with a landing in Scotland in 1650 where he was hailed as King and crowned, But the Parliamentarians forced him back into exile the following year.

The Lord Protector of the Commonwealth, Oliver Cromwell died in 1658 and the system he created began to unravel. His son Richard then served as Lord Protector but he had not his father's skill and he resigned in 1659, Thereafter the country was run by a committee. By the end of 1659 Royalists in exile in Europe were secretly negotiating with Gen. George Monck, the Parliamentarian commander in Scotland, for a restoration of the Monarchy.

Monck led his army south into England in January 1660, supposedly to install a new Parliament in London, but in reality he was testing the waters for a Restoration. Once in London he used his position as commander of an army to force Parliament to dissolve itself and hold a General Election. The new Parliament was pro-Monarchy and opened talks with Charles in Brussels.

Charles then moved to Breda in The Netherlands where in April he issued the Declaration of Breda offering an amnesty, freedom of conscience and land reform. This formed the basis of the Restoration Settlement which was accepted by Parliament and Charles alike. On 8 May he was proclaimed King, he sailed for England arriving on 25 May and entered London four days later on his 30th birthday. The Monarchy had been restored.

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Oh, Mark, I so agree.  I could have put money on Meghan not giving that precious baby a royal name, but Archie?  The jokes are flying over here in the colonies alluding to the Archie comics.  I can't imagine Prince Harry agreeing to this name, but I do believe he is well on his way to being a hen-pecked husband.  It's a shame.
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Re:Royal Date of the Day : May

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Mark and Shula, I totally agree. Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor is an ugly name. He is a beautiful baby. In my opinion, Albert Charles would have been a better name. 

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It could have been worse Mark, Megan could have given him an American name like Rastus. Archibald is not a common name much anymore.

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What were living conditions like if the best feed man in Russia suffered from scurvy. Makes you wonder how the peasants were living, doesn't it.

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There is not a touch of royal in the name Meghan and Prince Harry chose.  They could have, at the least, given he will never likely ascend the throne, let him grow up with the pride of his father's heritage in his name.  Arthur would have been perfect.
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Date Posted:08/05/2019 08:01:17Copy HTML

 Shula,

"There is not a touch of royal in the name Meghan and Prince Harry chose.  They could have, at the least, given he will never likely ascend the throne, let him grow up with the pride of his father's heritage in his name.  Arthur would have been perfect."


I totally agree. I still like Albert Charles. Prince Harry's real name is Henry Charles Albert David.

Albert Charles would have his and his father's name. I found this article of interest at https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48204592 . 

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Date Posted:08/05/2019 08:37:18Copy HTML

We live in the 21 century guys. Stop giving children old never used anymore names that will haunt them every day at school and for the rest of their lives. Harold is called Harry, William is called Will and wee Archibald will be called Archi.

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What's worse is that once Prince Charles is King the boy will be Prince Archie as the grandson of the King, even though they've said he won't adopt his Royal titles. It looks very much as if Meghan has "decided" he won't be a Royal baby at all. 

It's not even Archibald (a bad name anyway) shortened to Archie, it's just Archie, and God knows where Harrison comes from! Is she a fan of the Raiders of the Lost Ark films.

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There is no Royal in his name because he techical isn't a person who will have HRH in front of his name. Harry is the last one in line to have it.

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Thank you, Teresa.  I had read an article similar to this one regarding how they chose the name, but I confess to a disappointment that they did not include a tribute to Princess Diana's family, as I had originally read that they would.  I was equally surprised to read in the article you linked that Meghan and Prince Harry have chosen to decline a title for the little fellow.  I could understand if Harry were further down the line of succession, but as son to Prince Charles, they should have at least put Phillip or Charles in his name, as you suggest.
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PBA, I agree with your scurvy comment.  I would have been less surprised if he suffered from gout.  That's the rich man's disease, isn't it?


As for the peasants, they could have eaten quite well since they couldn't afford to have their grains milled so fine they lacked nutrients (much like our white bread) and may have been healthier due to that.  I've also read that kings loved the milkmaids because their skin was most likely clearer due to a natural immunization against the cow pox and their hands were softer from handling the butter.  Quite unlike us common skullery maids.

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I am glad the monarchy was restored, Mark, as I doubt the people of England liked living under Oliver Cromwell.  After his father was murdered, I can't quite understand why Charles II would have wanted the crown back, but I'm glad he did. 
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It wasn't the soft hands that mikmaids had Shula that the king liked, it was their chest and strong back muscles as seen in this family picture they enjoyed.


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I like "Archie"...........Bunker that is. Look, by the time this mulatto reaches age the monarchy will be in the dust bin of history. In fact it should be there by now anyway.
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Jealous Old Sock Tommy has spoken. lol

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PBA, I think a couple of corrections may be in order.  Prince Harry's name isn't Harold, is it?  I thought it was Henry.  Also, Baby Archie isn't short for Archibald.  His birth name is Archie.  Archibald actually would carry a little more dignity in my humble opinion.
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