No media manipulated anything Major we all got eyes and ears and seen and heard him say it. Why you are trying to tell people here it never happened is beyond me. OK, I don't know how to post a vid but I've sent one to Pete, which I hope he will post for me on here, showing you exactly how the media over here did exactly the same job as the anti Trump media over there.

Recently the EU did a report on the Chinese virus and their handling of it. China responded with its usual veiled threats, which cowed the EU into delaying its report. The Chinese government has since told them that if they do release their report "it will be very bad for cooperation." It's their way of threatening the EU to back off and comply with their wishes and their European ambassador accused them of, and get this....."trying to please somebody else." Of course we all know who that someone else is and it's not the USA, it's China's and the left's great bogeyman, Trump. Trump, in the eyes China, is a bigger threat than his country. HA! Naturally the EU watered down its report, as lefty's do to communist states, who they secretly adore and when challenged on it they said that no, they had not watered it down, they had simply adjusted it. They had caved in under pressure from China and as the lefty's are China worshippers, they carried out their wishes. It used to be Russia who held this power over them in the past but China is now the new sadist on the block and the masochistic left have discovered a new lefty whip to obey. This Chinese virus will kill the EU off, as Germany is getting sick of being the EU's sugar daddy and at the moment, Macron is trying to spend Germany's money to keep the rotten edifice alive but whereas the German political class are always willing to spend its country's money on the EU, the German people are beginning to lose their guilt complex for their great grandfather's sins and have had enough of being milked. Interesting times the malevolent and incompetent Chinks have unleashed. An fully independent Germany again? Sends shivers down the spine. 

No media manipulated anything Major we all got eyes and ears and seen and heard him say it. Why you are trying to tell people here it never happened is beyond me. OK, I don't know how to post a vid but I've sent one to Pete, which I hope he will post for me on here, showing you exactly how the media over here did exactly the same job as the anti Trump media over there.

I mentioned before Major I won't post your anti government videos and I couldn't if I wanted to. Do you have the little you tube Icon at the top of your page. If you do then hit on it and put the title or name of the video you want in the search and it along with others will come up. Pick the one you want and it will be transferred directly to the site. If you don't have the icon then let's see about getting it for you and anyone else on the site that doesn't have it. Deal? You can't post video's that aren't already on You tube. For example I can't post my own videos I have taken of my trips.

There is a lot of hacking going on right now of American labs, hospitals and research centres. They are blaming the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans and Iranians do doing it.  Thought that you would have mentioned it.

Here we go. This is how our fake news faked it

Here we go. This is how our fake news faked it

Perfect, a very good bad example of what the fake news does on a daily basis.

re my 212 post, most papers and media outlets in Britain have now reported the EU's grovelling climbdown to China's threats about their mishandling of the Chinese lab virus of theirs, but not all, as the BBC (British Broadcasting Communism) Britain's premier news station, which we all compulsory have to pay for, wether we watch it or not, has totally ignored China's threats to the EU. NO! How unusual, are you meaning to tell me that China has threatened them too? Even though we are not now a member of the EU? Chinese feelers run deep and it makes me wonder just what the Chinese have on the leaders of the BBC. I know they're all super lefty's but this is a big story which they have chosen to ignore, why? Why is it run by all of Europe's major newspapers and TV stations but not the BBC? Our government needs to know now just what they're up to. So, this much vaunted European block of nations, bonded as one for strength against the yanks and the Chinese have thrown in the towel and humiliated themselves at the first threat. I mean, the Chinese sell them far more goods than they sell the Chinese, so who should hold the winning hand here? It's not that though, is it? They're all taking money from the Chinese in brown envelopes. Thank goodness we've dumped the corrupt and grovelling whimps.

Here we go. This is how our fake news faked it

Perfect, a very good bad example of what the fake news does on a daily basis.

The heat and light can destroy germs on surfaces, not inside the body. Same for disinfectants will kill it on surfaces. That's where Trump was confused and thought if those two things can destroy it then what about inside the body could both do the same.

Congrats Major for learning to post videos by the way. Now if we can only get Tommy doing it.

Here we go. This is how our fake news faked it

Perfect, a very good bad example of what the fake news does on a daily basis.

The heat and light can destroy germs on surfaces, not inside the body. Same for disinfectants will kill it on surfaces. That's where Trump was confused and thought if those two things can destroy it then what about inside the body could both do the sa.me.

Congrats Major for learning to post videos by the way. Now if we can only get Tommy doing it.

Thank you Dr. Pete, but the point is Trump asked that in question form & not in a declarative sentence.

Thank you Dr. Pete, but the point is Trump asked that in question form & not in a declarative sentence.

Well we know that but the hundreds phoning into the poison control centre and the CDC don't seem to know that. It was only that it came out of his mouth that seems to be the problem.

Well we know that but the hundreds phoning into the poison control centre and the CDC don't seem to know that. It was only that it came out of his mouth that seems to be the problem. No it didn't. The actual problem is that the media portrayed it as Trump telling people to drink or inject bleach and TDS took over, which meant that common sense and reason went out of the window. The media said it, not Trump and you all danced to their tune, as they expected of you.

I'll come down somewhere in the middle. It's apparent he wasn't making a clear statement to consume bleach, but in asking the question in a public broadcast some will take him seriously. As I said before, better he leaves medical matters to those who know what they're talking about. He thinks aloud, which is not wise when addressed the great unwashed. Keep his "out of the box" thinking to private meetings.  

Oh, so now it's the media all over the world that told the people of America that maybe taking disinfectants was something to look at. 

Your a typical Trumper, deny and deflect.

Trump never said it.....full stop and you can't point to where he said it, can you?. The media said that he said it, you chose to be manipulated by them, although that's not hard where Trump's concerned.

Trump never said it.....full stop and you can't point to where he said it, can you?. The media said that he said it, you chose to be manipulated by them, although that's not hard where Trump's concerned.

The effects of pandemics:

The Byzantine Empire A.D. 542 or so. Justinian crushed the barbarians & secures a peace deal with the Persians. Then bubonic plague hits Constantinople & by the time it fizzled out around A.D. 750 adherents of a new religion, Islam, had taken root in the east, & in the west the Franks were the new conquerors.

New World - Spanish conquistadors brought smallpox in around 1492 which killed up to 20 million natives, annihilated the Aztecs, allowing Europeans to colonize the ravaged areas.

In 19th century, merciless crackddowns by the czarist regime on Russians who rioted against strict cholera quarantines would fuel resentments that later exploded into revolution. Communism evolved. 

Covid 19 - Anger of China's handling could cause countries & corporations pull back from the regime slowing her rise to superpower status. Populist movements in the west could collapse as citizens rally around the experts to keep them safe. Or perhaps aspiring authoritarians will grow stronger exploiting fears of the lemmings. 

One thing is certain, the world will look different after a pandemic. It always has. 

China has now switched to threatening Australia for their negative reporting of them. When I say negative reporting, I mean the truth, which the Chinese have always had a problem understanding the meaning of. They're threatening sanctions and it will be interesting to see if the Aussies still have their old fire in their bellies to tell them to deck-off. Fact is, the Chinese have bought up swathes of Australia. They own their food industry and many other vital industries, which is why they can threaten them. It's economic blackmail they are now practicing on the world and I welcome it wholeheartedly, as before this Chinese created pandemic, we were greedily sleepwalking into a Chinese opium den, as the world was getting addicted to Chinese cheap goods. Now we have come to at last realise that there is always but always an extra price to pay when dealing with a communist state. The economy is a way to advance living standards in the west but in a commie state, its sole purpose is to advance their political ideology, agenda and ultimately power. China has gone a long way in curing us all of our addiction to their cheap goods and we should at least thank them for that. Time for a huge readjustment of the insidious economic and political power China holds in this world, which Trump...yes Trump, was warning us all about three years before this awakening.

China has now switched to threatening Australia for their negative reporting of them. When I say negative reporting, I mean the truth, which the Chinese have always had a problem understanding the meaning of. They're threatening sanctions and it will be interesting to see if the Aussies still have their old fire in their bellies to tell them to deck-off. Fact is, the Chinese have bought up swathes of Australia. They own their food industry and many other vital industries, which is why they can threaten them. It's economic blackmail they are now practicing on the world and I welcome it wholeheartedly, as before this Chinese created pandemic, we were greedily sleepwalking into a Chinese opium den, as the world was getting addicted to Chinese cheap goods. Now we have come to at last realise that there is always but always an extra price to pay when dealing with a communist state. The economy is a way to advance living standards in the west but in a commie state, its sole purpose is to advance their political ideology, agenda and ultimately power. China has gone a long way in curing us all of our addiction to their cheap goods and we should at least thank them for that. Time for a huge readjustment of the insidious economic and political power China holds in this world, which Trump...yes Trump, was warning us all about three years before this awakening.

Of course the above is correct Major, but do we have the balls or where with all once we get back to "normal?" I visualize the Wall Martians going to the big box store a comparing a pair of widgets. One made in country for 95 cents & the other made in China for 35 cents. Can't see em spending the extra 60 cents. Oh sure, for now they all talk a good game, but when push comes to shove the proof is in the pudding.

Trump never said it.....full stop and you can't point to where he said it, can you?. The media said that he said it, you chose to be manipulated by them, although that's not hard where Trump's concerned.

The effects of pandemics:

The Byzantine Empire A.D. 542 or so. Justinian crushed the barbarians & secures a peace deal with the Persians. Then bubonic plague hits Constantinople & by the time it fizzled out around A.D. 750 adherents of a new religion, Islam, had taken root in the east, & in the west the Franks were the new conquerors.

New World - Spanish conquistadors brought smallpox in around 1492 which killed up to 20 million natives, annihilated the Aztecs, allowing Europeans to colonize the ravaged areas.

In 19th century, merciless crackddowns by the czarist regime on Russians who rioted against strict cholera quarantines would fuel resentments that later exploded into revolution. Communism evolved. 

Covid 19 - Anger of China's handling could cause countries & corporations pull back from the regime slowing her rise to superpower status. Populist movements in the west could collapse as citizens rally around the experts to keep them safe. Or perhaps aspiring authoritarians will grow stronger exploiting fears of the lemmings. 

One thing is certain, the world will look different after a pandemic. It always has. 

In this age of the computer we have put our hopes in a fast solution to all our problems but this one is going to take time.

Of course the above is correct Major, but do we have the balls or where with all once we get back to "normal?" I visualize the Wall Martians going to the big box store a comparing a pair of widgets. One made in country for 95 cents & the other made in China for 35 cents. Can't see em spending the extra 60 cents. Oh sure, for now they all talk a good game, but when push comes to shove the proof is in the pudding. Correct Tom. I heard a quip that if Wallmart stopped buying Chinese goods, the country would go broke! The campaign has to be presented correctly and you have to have an industry to back it up, ie make them yourself and fact is, we're never going to fully achieve that, nor should we but we must bring back the vital industries for a start. Imagine telling the British WW2 generation the country has no steel industry of its own anymore? They would laugh at you. I believe it's come as a real blow to the people of the west to find they don't produce antibiotics anymore for a start  not even an aspirin. We invent them all right, then hand them over for short term gain. Everything but everything is either a political weapon in China or made into one. It's a long hard road and needs strong political will to ween us off the Chinese tit.

Tommy is right Major. And it's not only America not spending the extra 60 cents, it's all of us. 

Adding to growing evidence that the novel coronavirus can spread through air, scientists have identified genetic markers of the virus in airborne droplets, many with diameters smaller than one-ten-thousandth of an inch.

That had been previously demonstrated in laboratory experiments, but now Chinese scientists studying real-world conditions report that they captured tiny droplets containing the genetic markers of the virus from the air in two hospitals in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak started.

On the TV programme Dragons' Den for instance when the dragons question the applicant about how much producing their goods will cost they usually say they've outsourced production to China, sometimes India or Turkey.  

Tommy is right Major. And it's not only America not spending the extra 60 cents, it's all of us. Yes, but if you were to make it clear that the extra 60 cents is for a fellow American family, then you will find that many many more will but it. Not all of course, but enough to make a huge difference. As with anything, you have to keep the zealots out of it, there has to be freedom of choice

Tommy is right Major. And it's not only America not spending the extra 60 cents, it's all of us. Yes, but if you were to make it clear that the extra 60 cents is for a fellow American family, then you will find that many many more will but it. Not all of course, but enough to make a huge difference. As with anything, you have to keep the zealots out of it, there has to be freedom of choice

In a perfect world maybe but I doubt it. People of today don't care how the other guy is doing, it's themselves they have to worry about. The vast majority are still going to pick the cheaper one because they do have that freedom of choice and are exercising it.

Granted, the Yanks aren't the super patriots they used to be but I think if matters were properly explained then I know most would step up to the oche.

Granted, the Yanks aren't the super patriots they used to be but I think if matters were properly explained then I know most would step up to the oche.

Don't have a flip out when I tell you this but it has nothing to do with patriots but more like being caring an able to show empathy and all that go with those traits. Now sit yourself down. It's still alive in the States but only seems to be practised by Democrats now.  

What's up with Florida not allowing their numbers of new cases and deaths to be released to the public anymore. Is it a way of hiding the numbers if their early opening goes south.

The kicker is they don't count any person in their numbers if they are from out of state or out of country. Doesn't matter if they caught the virus in Florida and died in Florida and live there 6 months of the year. They add then to the persons home states lists not their own. Now you think about all thousands of Snow Birds from Ohio, New York and any other State were they get a winter and travel south.  Mostly seniors as we know, how many of them have passed in Florida from this virus and haven't been added to the real numbers for Florida. By fudging the real numbers to me your deceive the people of the State and also the country if your giving them false information about your true counts.    Florida today has confirmed cases 33,500. 1300 Deaths, and no recovered.

Some better news. They think they have a drug now that might ease the effects of the virus and shorten the person's recovery time. Not perfect, but at least a step forward if it works. The drug has never be used before to treat or cure anything but the FDA is pushing it even without approval and is fast tracking it. 

Get a mast for that wee dog of yours Art.  Apparently a woman's pet Pug in New York City has tested positive for the virus.

Our death figures have shot up since they added the care home deaths in one go. However in terms of deaths per head of population Belgium comes out the worst. 

What's up with Florida not allowing their numbers of new cases and deaths to be released to the public anymore. Is it a way of hiding the numbers if their early opening goes south.

The kicker is they don't count any person in their numbers if they are from out of state or out of country. Doesn't matter if they caught the virus in Florida and died in Florida and live there 6 months of the year. They add then to the persons home states lists not their own. Now you think about all thousands of Snow Birds from Ohio, New York and any other State were they get a winter and travel south.  Mostly seniors as we know, how many of them have passed in Florida from this virus and haven't been added to the real numbers for Florida. By fudging the real numbers to me your deceive the people of the State and also the country if your giving them false information about your true counts.    Florida today has confirmed cases 33,500. 1300 Deaths, and no recovered.

Some better news. They think they have a drug now that might ease the effects of the virus and shorten the person's recovery time. Not perfect, but at least a step forward if it works. The drug has never be used before to treat or cure anything but the FDA is pushing it even without approval and is fast tracking it. 

Get a mast for that wee dog of yours Art.  Apparently a woman's pet Pug in New York City has tested positive for the virus.

Or just the opposite. Claiming a death due to the virus thereby increasing the count leads to more federal $. We have trouble with numbers over here. It started in Viet Nam where we killed more V.C. than the entire population of the country.  

Our death figures have shot up since they added the care home deaths in one go. However in terms of deaths per head of population Belgium comes out the worst. I believe Belgium is now officially the most densely populated country in the world, which would account for it.