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 In 1859 Darwin published Origin of the Species.

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King Charles actually surrendered to a Scottish Army in 1646 in the expectation of better treatment, but the Scots handed him over to the English. Initially there was no thought of even a trial let alone execution, but Charles refused to negotiate in good faith and was in communication with loyalists in England, Scotland and Ireland throughout his two and a half year incarceration. In the end Parliament realized he would never agree to any form of Constitutional Monarchy so the decision was made to get rid of him, hence the semblance of a "fair" trial to justify their decision.   Topically, it's just been announced that Charles 1's bloodstained shirt, which he wore at his execution, is to be put on display at the British museum in the next few days.


To piggyback, did that Guy Faukes feller meet his fate in the Tower? Sorry for stupid questions, but the nuns did not teach us about English History.

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He was captured and taken to the Tower, as were most high profile people of the day. He was first kept in a room there paradoxically called the 'little ease' which prevented him from either lying down or standing up, a torture of its own. He was then put on the rack and broken, as was everybody who underwent this most horrendous practice. Ever heard the saying.... racked with pain? Well that's where it comes from. He was sentenced to be hung, drawn and quartered but died before he got to the noose and there are two explanations for it. One is his injuries were so severe he died on the steps of the scaffold and the other is that he threw himself off the platform head first and broke his neck.

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He was captured and taken to the Tower, as were most high profile people of the day. He was first kept in a room there paradoxically called the 'little ease' which prevented him from either lying down or standing up, a torture of its own. He was then put on the rack and broken, as was everybody who underwent this most horrendous practice. Ever heard the saying.... racked with pain? Well that's where it comes from. He was sentenced to be hung, drawn and quartered but died before he got to the noose and there are two explanations for it. One is his injuries were so severe he died on the steps of the scaffold and the other is that he threw himself off the platform head first and broke his neck.


Two questions


1) The rack, was that a device that stretched out your body limbs?

2) Drawn & Quartered, being butchered & cut up like an animal?


One more question


3) Is that how the movie depicted the demise of William Wallace?


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You must be psychic to have brought that up today, because -

31 January 1606 - Guy Fawkes executed.

He was the last of eight conspirators executed for their part in the 1605 Gunpowder Plot, four on 30 January and the final four the next day. All were hanged, drawn and quartered. Those who showed remorse on the scaffold were hanged until dead, or at least unconscious, before being butchered. But those who did not were only hanged for a few seconds before being carved up alive. Fawkes died quickly as the drop broke his neck, most likely due to his physical weakness after his tortures. The executions on 31 January took place not at the Tower of London but in Old Palace Yard outside the Houses of Parliament they had tried to blow up.

The events of November 1605 remain the largest terrorist plot in British history, an attempt to destroy the Houses of Parliament with the Lords and Commons assembled plus the King, Queen and Prince of Wales.

Yes to all three questions. It was the prescribed penalty for treason in those days, although the Monarch could "reduce" it to simply beheading for members of the nobility, as was usually the case, commoners weren't offered the luxury. It was last carried out in 1788, but as late as 1820 villains convicted of treason were beheaded after death but not quartered. The penalty was not formally abolished until 1870.

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You must be psychic to have brought that up today, because -

31 January 1606 - Guy Fawkes executed.

He was the last of eight conspirators executed for their part in the 1605 Gunpowder Plot, four on 30 January and the final four the next day. All were hanged, drawn and quartered. Those who showed remorse on the scaffold were hanged until dead, or at least unconscious, before being butchered. But those who did not were only hanged for a few seconds before being carved up alive. Fawkes died quickly as the drop broke his neck, most likely due to his physical weakness after his tortures. The executions on 31 January took place not at the Tower of London but in Old Palace Yard outside the Houses of Parliament they had tried to blow up.

The events of November 1605 remain the largest terrorist plot in British history, an attempt to destroy the Houses of Parliament with the Lords and Commons assembled plus the King, Queen and Prince of Wales.

Yes to all three questions. It was the prescribed penalty for treason in those days, although the Monarch could "reduce" it to simply beheading for members of the nobility, as was usually the case, commoners weren't offered the luxury. It was last carried out in 1788, but as late as 1820 villains convicted of treason were beheaded after death but not quartered. The penalty was not formally abolished until 1870.


I remember my ex's talking about celebrating Guy Fawkes night with celebration & fireworks. Anti-Catholic bastards. Anyway, do you Brits still do that.

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Yes, on November 5th every year we have what's more commonly called bonfire night and fires are lit, Guys (Guy Fawkes) are burned and fireworks are let off. I can't say that growing up I ever equated the night to a plot to kill the king though. I can't remember the last time I did see a Guy get thrown on a fire, come to think of it.

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Many people think that because we burn an effigy of Guy Fawkes on a bonfire he was burned at the stake.
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That group "Anonymous" uses the Guy Fawkes mask.  For what purpose I don't know because I don't know what the group is or what it does.  Any illumination?
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They're the same as antifa and other left wing nazis. They're the lefty's brownshirts, who intimidate and attack any dissenting voices to their automaton ideals.

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Masks like the ones worn in the film V for Vendetta? Guy Fawkes is seen as the ultimate anti-establishment figure.

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1 February 1958 - The United Arab Republic established.

A short-lived political union between Egypt and Syria. President Nasser of Egypt was elected President of the new union. However it soon became apparent that the partnership was an unequal one with Egypt dominating. A coup on Syria in 1961 ended the union, but Egypt continued to call itself the UAR until 1971.  

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2 February 1141 - The Battle of Lincoln.

In 1135 Henry I , King of England died leaving his only surviving child, his daughter Matilda as heir. However her cousin, Stephen, Count of Blois seized the Throne and was crowned King.

It was four years before Matilda made any serious attempts to claim her inheritance when she invaded England from France in 1139. At the end on 1140 King Stephen captured the city of Lincoln, a stronghold for Matilda's supporters, but the King failed to take the castle which held out against a siege. In February 1141 a relief army under the Earl of Chester, one of Maltida's principal allies, arrived at Lincoln. The King led his army out and gave battle outside the city walls. He underestimated the strength of the Earl's forces and was quickly in trouble. He fought with great courage with both sword and axe before being knocked unconscious by a well aimed stone to the head.

He was taken prisoner and carried away to imprisonment at Bristol. Matilda was on the verge of claiming her rightful Crown, but she recokoned without the Queen, Stephen's indomitable wife Matilda of Boulogne.

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2 February 1141 - The Battle of Lincoln.

In 1135 Henry I , King of England died leaving his only surviving child, his daughter Matilda as heir. However her cousin, Stephen, Count of Blois seized the Throne and was crowned King.

It was four years before Matilda made any serious attempts to claim her inheritance when she invaded England from France in 1139. At the end on 1140 King Stephen captured the city of Lincoln, a stronghold for Matilda's supporters, but the King failed to take the castle which held out against a siege. In February 1141 a relief army under the Earl of Chester, one of Maltida's principal allies, arrived at Lincoln. The King led his army out and gave battle outside the city walls. He underestimated the strength of the Earl's forces and was quickly in trouble. He fought with great courage with both sword and axe before being knocked unconscious by a well aimed stone to the head.

He was taken prisoner and carried away to imprisonment at Bristol. Matilda was on the verge of claiming her rightful Crown, but she recokoned without the Queen, Stephen's indomitable wife Matilda of Boulogne.


Mark, sorry in advance for the stooooopid questions.

How exactly did he "seize" the throne?


Feb 2nd every year - Ground Hog Day. A plump rodent in Punxatawny Pennsylvania emerges from his den. If he sees he shadow there is six more weeks of winter. People get all dressed up for the festivities. Top Hats & all. BTW, in Pa. the rodents are called groundhogs, in N.Y. we call em woodchucks, in GB most likely hedgehogs, in Canada, residents.

Feb 2, 2020 - NFL Super Bowl. This year the San Francisco 49ers v the Kansas City Chiefs. This is the biggest sporting deal here in the Colonies.


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Stephen got to London first and persuaded the Lords that as a man and a soldier he would make a better ruler than Matilda, they agreed and he was crowned King.

Both he and Matilda were in France at the time of King Henry's death, but Stephen heard the news first and set off immediately. Despite most of the English Lords swearing an oath of allegiance to Matilda as heir, forced on them by her father ten years earlier, they quickly ignored their oath when Stephen presented himself as the stronger candidate. 

Stephen was in fact seventh in line to the Throne in 1135 behind Matilda, her two infant sons, his own mother and his two elder brothers neither of whom had any interest in the English Crown.

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Stephen got to London first and persuaded the Lords that as a man and a soldier he would make a better ruler than Matilda, they agreed and he was crowned King.

Both he and Matilda were in France at the time of King Henry's death, but Stephen heard the news first and set off immediately. Despite most of the English Lords swearing an oath of allegiance to Matilda as heir, forced on them by her father ten years earlier, they quickly ignored their oath when Stephen presented himself as the stronger candidate. 

Stephen was in fact seventh in line to the Throne in 1135 behind Matilda, her two infant sons, his own mother and his two elder brothers neither of whom had any interest in the English Crown.


OK, so there was no violence more or less the art of the deal eh?

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Matilda (Lady of the English) certainly met her match in her cousin-in-law Matilda of Boulogne.  Until I read about her, I hadn't realized just how formidable she could be. 
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You seem to get this wrong all the time Art. Nazi’s and White Nations are all right wing, not left.

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Stephen got to London first and persuaded the Lords that as a man and a soldier he would make a better ruler than Matilda, they agreed and he was crowned King.

Both he and Matilda were in France at the time of King Henry's death, but Stephen heard the news first and set off immediately. Despite most of the English Lords swearing an oath of allegiance to Matilda as heir, forced on them by her father ten years earlier, they quickly ignored their oath when Stephen presented himself as the stronger candidate. 

Stephen was in fact seventh in line to the Throne in 1135 behind Matilda, her two infant sons, his own mother and his two elder brothers neither of whom had any interest in the English Crown.


OK, so there was no violence more or less the art of the deal eh?


Not at first, but in 1138 the Scots invaded England in support of Matilda but also in expectation of land if they succeeded in throwing out King Stephen. Needless to say the Scots were defeated. The civil war between the English began in 1139 and lasted until 1153 when a deal was struck - Stephen to rule until his death then the Crown to pass, not to Matilda, but to her son Henry.

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3 February 1014 - Sven, King of Denmark 986-1014, died.

The Danish King who conquered England but died within weeks. 

After decades of gradual encroachment into eastern and northern England the Danes were by 1013 in a strong enough position to occupy England as a whole. From their already established settlements and reinforced by men from Denmark, including King Sven himself the Danes swept through the country forcing King Ethelred into exile in Normandy. On Christmas Day 1013 Sven was proclaimed King of England.

However his reign as conquerer was a short one, just six weeks later he died. Legend says he fell dead from his horse as a vision of St Edmund the Martyr, the King of East Anglia who had been killed by the Vikings in 869, rose up before him.  

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You seem to get this wrong all the time Art. Nazi’s and White Nations are all right wing, not left. I see, so if you're black, or your country is black, you can't be right wing? I wish somebody would have told Idi Amin that. You tell me the differences between right and left wing Nazis then, as I'm struggling.

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You seem to get this wrong all the time Art. Nazi’s and White Nations are all right wing, not left. I see, so if you're black, or your country is black, you can't be right wing? I wish somebody would have told Idi Amin that. You tell me the differences between right and left wing Nazis then, as I'm struggling.


"The day the music died" Feb 3, 1959 - Plane crash in Iowa kills up & coming young singers; Ritchie Valens, Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper.

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I really liked Buddy Holly and my dad absolutely hated him, every time I stuck him on. To my dad you had to sing like Pavarotti or don't bother and Buddy had a gooey voice. It's great when you wind your dad up eh?

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I really liked Buddy Holly and my dad absolutely hated him, every time I stuck him on. To my dad you had to sing like Pavarotti or don't bother and Buddy had a gooey voice. It's great when you wind your dad up eh?


Me too, Major. A bit of trivia, Buddy & his group were from Lubbock Texas & they used to practice in his garage. One day they were recording some tunes & they heard a funny sound on the tapes. Further investigation revealed the sound was that of crickets. Hence the name of his band was "The Crickets." Valens was born in California of Mexican descent, but could not speak Spanish fluently. His first big hit "Donna" was named after his high skool sweetheart of the same name. The "Big Bopper" was a large man from Texas who was a radio D.J. His big hit was "Chantilly Lace."

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You seem to get this wrong all the time Art. Nazi’s and White Nations are all right wing, not left. I see, so if you're black, or your country is black, you can't be right wing? I wish somebody would have told Idi Amin that. You tell me the differences between right and left wing Nazis then, as I'm struggling.


You can be a member of the right if you are black,  but you can’t be a white nationalist, Nazi or Clan Member if your black.

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What about the 80+ black only organisations that cover every aspect of life in the US, before even mentioning the black radical organisations, are they black nationalists? and are the black only members of all those organisations racist?

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4 February 1915 - Turkish attack on the Suez Canal repelled.

Turkey's only attempt to seize the vital waterway of the Suez Canal took place early in the war. Using a plan drawn up in Berlin 20,000 Turkish troops under the control of German advisers crossed the Sinai desert in January 1915 with the first group reaching the east bank on 27 January. The main assault went in on 3 February. About 600 Turks succeeded in crossing to the west bank in boats or pontoon bridges they'd hauled across the desert, but all 600 were either killed or captured. 

Having failed in their attempt the Turks withdrew under cover of darkness early the next day having lost around 800 killed and 700 taken prisoner. The British lost 32 dead. 

The Turks made no further attempts against the Canal but maintained outposts in Sinai until driven out in 1917.

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What about the 80+ black only organisations that cover every aspect of life in the US, before even mentioning the black radical organisations, are they black nationalists? and are the black only members of all those organisations racist?


Groups like theses have no connection to either party, right or left. They are against the whole establishment like the white nationalists ones are. 

Black nationalists can't join a white nationalists group no more than a white nationalist can join a black nationalist one. A real white nationalist is no different that a real black nationalist. Both are extremists. Would they be racist also? They sure are. 


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5 February 1811 - George, Prince of Wales appointed Regent.

By the end on 1810 the 72 year old King George III was diagnosed as suffering from a serious mental illness and therefore incapable of carrying out his duties. We now know that he was suffering with porphryia, a condition undiagnosable and incurable back then. 

Parliament introduced a Regency Act which was passed into law on 5 February 1811. It allowed for the King's heir. George, Prince of Wales to act as Prince Regent for the duration of his father's illness. The King never recovered and he remained under the Regency until his death in 1820.   

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Groups like theses have no connection to either party, right or left. They are against the whole establishment like the white nationalists ones are. Oh no they're not. They operate at the heart of government, media and the establishment. No other groups have anything akin to the black only sections in mainstream life, such as black police officers associations, black lawyers associations, even a black comedians association, how comical is that? This is raw racism, which if was perpetrated the other way, ie white police officers association, would be screamed out of town. Guess what part of the political spectrum allowed this to happen?

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What party did the Black Panthers support Major?

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