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MarkUK
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Date Posted：19/09/2018 06:08:17Copy HTML The Middle Ages is usually regarded as a period of great honour and chivalry among knights on the battlefield. Of course in most cases it was nothing of the sort, but there is one instance of great chivalry shown by a King of France, Jean II. Today is the anniversary of the battle of Poitiers, 19 September 1356, that great victory by the English under the Black Prince over the French led by their King who was among the 1900 captured that day. He was taken to England to an honourable captivity while a King's Ransom was raised for his release. However France was in such dire straits after successive defeats that the huge sum demanded could not be raised. So in 1360 King Jean was released to return to France to oversee the raising of the money while his place in England was taken by his second son Louis. The agreement was that Louis would remain a prisoner until the sum was forthcoming. However after three years the ransom still had not been raised, so Louis contrived his escape and returned to his father at the end of 1363. Jean's sense of honour was so outraged at his son's breaking the solemn agreement that early in 1364 he voluntarily crossed the Channel and surrendered himself to King Edward as a prisoner once more. This act has gone down in history as one of the greatest chivalric acts of the age. Sadly within months of his return King Jean sickened and died in April 1364 at the Savoy Palace outside London. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：19/09/2018 11:06:37Copy HTML Bollocks, sounds like more English treachery via poison food.
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MarkUK
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：20/09/2018 07:38:38Copy HTML But with his death no ransom was paid and France got a new King, one who wasn't in English hands, every reason to keep King Jean alive.
You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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PBA-3rd-1949
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：20/09/2018 06:47:27Copy HTML You don't have to be a king to get food poisoning in England Tommy. Sorry Mark and Major just couldn't stop myself.lol |
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：21/09/2018 07:10:50Copy HTML Right you tossers I'm back, and let me tell you this, we have the finest food poisoning in the world. |
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MarkUK
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：21/09/2018 07:55:09Copy HTML Another instance around the same time was the Combat of the Thirty. It took place during the War of Breton Succession in 1351 in which there were two rival claimants to the Dukedom of Brittany, one supported by France the other by England.
In order to avoid a potentially costly battle both sides agreed to a fight to the death tournament style at Guillac in which 30 chosen men from either side would fight it out. The French picked ten knights and 20 squires/men at arms; the English had seven knights and 23 squires/men at arms.
The aim was to either fight to the death or surrender and withdraw. The battle lasted many hours at the end of which the French lost six killed and the English nine including their commander Sir Robert Bemborough, the remainder either surrendered or were too badly injured or exhausted to carry on. Every one of the 45 survivors from both sides were wounded.
The incident is a feature of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's novel Sir Nigel.
You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：23/09/2018 12:37:45Copy HTML Admittedly, everything looks good on paper, but I would like to think that the idea of chivalry was passed down and gave birth to manners which some men still have today. Our young men were taught to open doors for ladies and the proper way to shake hands with a woman, for example. I'm not so sure that this is being taught in schools now, but even after all that women's lib crap, our generation of men still remember how to treat a lady.
"It is forbidden to spit on cats in plague-time."
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MarkUK
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：23/09/2018 07:39:30Copy HTML I agree, When a female soldier comes to pick up a large parcel I'll normally carry it out to her car for her, someone asked me why stating that they're soldiers and probably stroger than I am! but it's simple manners I think.
You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：23/09/2018 08:31:22Copy HTML It's simply the done thing Mark. |
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PBA-3rd-1949
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：23/09/2018 08:33:25Copy HTML Admittedly, everything looks good on paper, but I would like to think that the idea of chivalry was passed down and gave birth to manners which some men still have today. Our young men were taught to open doors for ladies and the proper way to shake hands with a woman, for example. I'm not so sure that this is being taught in schools now, but even after all that women's lib crap, our generation of men still remember how to treat a lady. I'm glad to see that you left Donald out of your synopsis because lately the whole world is beginning to think all American men are just like he is when it comes to the treatment of women. |
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：23/09/2018 08:45:52Copy HTML Give it a break Pete. It's consuming you.
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PBA-3rd-1949
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：23/09/2018 09:05:00Copy HTML Well the only thing we hear on American TV is about men who with position or power are assaulting women. Be they actors,producers, news reporters, politicans or presidents, their all the same. |
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：24/09/2018 12:14:31Copy HTML I disagree, PBA. The mainstream definition of assault is not my definition. I have little patience for women who insist on being treated like men and cry assault when men mistake them for women and use their feminism to accuse them of assault. True assault is frightening. When a man uses his strength and his penis as a weapon instead of for lovemaking and you realize that there may be no way out alive if you resist, you know you've been assaulted. When a man cops a feel it is disrespectful but hardly assault. It diminishes the far too many women who are actually assaulted. No woman has to put up with a boor. Putting an end to the treatment right there and then is my way of dealing with it, not screaming 30 years later that my life has been ruined because some guy who is running for office once patted my ass at a cocktail party. As far as the Hollywood creeps are concerned, if you offer a girl a part in a movie in exchange for sex, that's on her. It's disgusting but if you make it big in the movies because of that trade and then cry assault it's even more disgusting. "It is forbidden to spit on cats in plague-time."
-Albert Camus-
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Re：Mediaeval Chivalry Date Posted：26/09/2018 05:43:56Copy HTML As far as the Hollywood creeps are concerned, if you offer a girl a part in a movie in exchange for sex, that's on her. It's disgusting but if you make it big in the movies because of that trade and then cry assault it's even more disgusting. If casting couches only had ears, imagine the stores they could tell. |
