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Date Posted:12/10/2018 06:13:43Copy HTML
Markland, what a wonderful name for a country, nay a continent.
This day in 1492 Christopher Colombus' expedition landed in the Bahamas to become the first Europeans to see the Caribbean. But of course he wasn't the first to make landfall in the Americas. We now accept that the Vikings around 1000 were the first Europeans to set foot in north America. They came ashore on what is now the Labrador coast and they named it Markland. If they had settled successfully it would still be known as that today, in fact the whole continent could be named Markland, just imagine - the United States of Markland.
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Date Posted:12/10/2018 07:05:26Copy HTML
The Americans still can't get over that Columbus didn't discover America and when they heard about the Viking being first they have created stories now of how far in land that they travelled in the States. All poppycock of course. I would go with Marland Mark. The Viking would have first landed on the coast of Labrador and the followed the coast south and then crossed over to the Island of Newfoundland. There is two settlements at least there but I haven't heard them mentioning any on the coast of Labrador which you might expect. There is also rumours that they may have travelled down the St. Lawerence for a way but if it was fish they were after then around Newfoundland would have been much better.
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Date Posted:12/10/2018 08:36:11Copy HTML
When they sailed further south, as you said, they named the area Vinland because of the grapes they found there. Grapes growing in eastern Canada? Surely they don't grow that far north today? It's a mystery why they didn't establish a settlement there, they did in the far less hospitable Greenland.
It would be another 480 years before Europeans sailed that far west again.
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Date Posted:13/10/2018 11:09:02Copy HTML
The Vikings were driven off by the native savages who succeeded because of their numbers & the similarity of their weapons to those of the Vikings. When Columbus came he had "firesticks."
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C'mon Pete, the nuns taught me the Vikings were the first Europeans in North America way back when. I am gobsmacked by your ludicrous comments. You must be the nastiest Canadian in history.
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It's possible that the Vikings made landfall as far south as Maine area today in the area they named Vinland. They never penetrated far inland though.
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They grow grapes in New Brunswick Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island and my wife and I usually pick up bottles of it for our girls when down there. The grapes could have also been wild blue berries or other wild berries which all can be used to make wine and were by the first settlers in North America. Also on the north shore of what is now Quebec they grow grapes. I just tried to post pic's of vineyards in Nova Scotia and PEI that I took while down there but am having problems so will try when we get back from shopping. You gullible fools down there in the States have the Viking as far in land and as north as Wisconsin. You Neanderthals would do anything to get mentioned in a history book.
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By Digby Nova Scotia. Vineyards
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Here's a place in PEI which besides buying wine at we also have had lunch at twice. Even as late as when Cabot etc arrived they only had to drop a bucket over the side of their boat to catch cod fish. They were just that plentyful around Newfoundland. More that enough food to eat or salt down plus berries of all kinds by the millions. Maybe even a form of wild grapes. The currents also flow from south to north up the east coast so not as east to sail in their small boats. They may also have had trouble with the local natives and wouldn't have had to have sailed more south to run into them.
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Tom, PBA, like most Canadians, just can't get over Trump being president, so he is going to hate us no matter what. I think we should go liberate him.
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Apart from Markland (Labrador) and Vinland (Nova Scotia south) they also "discovered" Helluland further north which we think was Baffin Island.
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Listen now to, LittlemissIwanttogettocanadaanywayIcan. Geez girl, true freedom is just a short drive north for you. Gas is also cheap right now. Leave before the snow flys or you might have to rent a dog team and a sled with a GPS on it. And I do not hate Americans or America. I know one day it will be all ours and it's just that we don't want you all to screw it up in the mean time, that's all. It's Trump that outsiders have learned to hate, not Americans. For Americans, we just fell sorry. lol I'm surprised that no one knows much about the first explorers to Discover North America. First of all the map is right and the word vinland has nothing to do with grapes or vines. The proper translation is meadow. What first started the search in north America was that while ecavating a Viking site in Greenland they discovered buried along with other items, arrow heads that could have only come from north America. For the first few years of exploring they searched further down the coast of the USA thinking that it would have to be a place that grapes could grow. Then the mistake was discovered that the proper meaning of the word Vinland was really Meadow and had nothing to do with grapes. This wasn't good at first for them because it now widened the coast line search area.They started tracking down the Labrador coast the route that they would have came and when your just around the bottom of it they found that they were only 20kms across the Gulf of St Lawrence to Newfoundland. They started searching the coast and found L'anse auk meadows in a sheltered bay. They found 5 permanent stuctures and because of some of them they figured 90 to 100 people lived there year round. They also found where the blacksmith was set up and they used I think what they call slag iron to make nails, fish hooks etc from. They could also make repairs to their ships. Being a real meadow they were able to feed any animals they may have had and even grown crops. You need an open space where wind can blow and circulate to dry fish on racks.They already had it and didn't even have to cleared of anything to set up shop. They are saying now that they were there from approx 925-950 AD. Not a very long time and they may have left during that time frame for a few years and then came back again. Were they just starting a new life in a new place or were they also trading with the settlements back in Greenland. To know that you would have to know how many ships they all had. There is another spot further down the south east coast that they are also saying was used by them.
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925-50 seems very early, the source I have says they landed around 1000 and a later expedition set up a colony a few years later, but it didn't last long. By 1020 it had gone and the Vikings never returned.
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I'm getting my info Mark from the ones that followed the trail from start to finish and did the digging and probably had the stuff carbon dated that they found. Could they be out 50 years one way or the other, yes, it is very possible. The main thing to be taken away from it all though is Vinland is a Meadow in Newfoundland and nothing to do with grapes.
Have you ever heard the story of Elizabeth the 1st and her fear of being posioned Mark. Someone must have told her to prevent it from happening she would have to possess a horn of a Unicorn. The day came when she finally got one and it was worth it's weight in gold. What she really had was the tusk or canine tooth of a Narwhal which is in the same family of whale as the beluga. The only ones to hunt them or even know about them were the Viking of Greenland and Canada. So it seems that's where it had origanally came from many years before.
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It was a common superstition in Medieaval times; not only did Elizabeth I have one but Francois I of France was particularly careful to have powdered unicorn horn with him at all times to detect and nullify poison.
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I think also Mary Queen of Scots may have had one even before Elizabeth did. If you ever get to see one up close Mark you can see why people in those days could be fooled. The second site that was discovered on Newfoundland is at Point Rosee Mark which is further south than the meadow but also on the coast. Here the Viking would have had everything needed, fish, lots of game, trees galore and also iron slap. They have found traces of iron work also being carried out there.. From there they could have travelled to PEI, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. With the short time span they spend over all though in the new world it's highly unlikely that they travelled down and around Florida and up the Mississippi River or into the Great Lakes like some people wish to believe.
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