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Date Posted:11/11/2018 09:30:57Copy HTML After several days of negotiations the German delegation signed the armistice at 0519 Monday 11 November to take effect at 1100 hours Paris time. Interestingly the Allied signatories were the overall C-in-C Marshal Foch for France and a number of British Naval personnel, no British army officers were present. The lead for the Germans was taken by a civilian Matthias Erzberger of the Centre Party. The main terms included - A. Western Front
B. Eastern and African Fronts
C. At sea
D. General
You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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MarkUK | Share to: #1 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:11/11/2018 09:37:57Copy HTML There is much talk of who was the last casualty, the last to be killed before the armistice took effect was a US soldier Pte Henry Gunther who was shot dead at 1059 attacking a German position. The Germans shouted at him to stop as they didn't want to kill him so close to the ceasefire, but he kept running towards them. He had been demoted from Sergeant a few months previously and it is thought he wanted to regain his colleagues and his own esteem by an act of bravery. Of course many died of their injuries in the days, months, even years after 11 November so we'll never know who was in fact the last casualty. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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tommytalldog | Share to: #2 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:11/11/2018 02:16:30Copy HTML Well, there you go again Mark. Denigrating American contributions to winning the Great War which GB started. The last casualty being an American, although disputed by some, should be a tale of outstanding bravery, courage, & patriotism........instead you paint this act as one of self-absorbed conceit with hope of promotion. The nuns were right about you English, see ingrates.
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PBA-3rd-1949 | Share to: #3 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:11/11/2018 07:26:29Copy HTML Blame Pershing Tommy. He was only after the glory and had no concern for the mens lives he had under his command. No tactics were used, just a charge against dug in troops. The only reason it was sucessful was Pershing used overwheming numbers against the Germans. This is why when you look at the numbers of American dead and wounded in the first war they seem so high for the short period of time they were involved. What we would call Banzai charges by the Japanese in the next war were shear numbers were used. When the Americans arrived they brought no tacticial skills with them for modern warfare. They made all the same mistakes that the allies had made in the early years of the war. |
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MarkUK | Share to: #4 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:11/11/2018 08:40:55Copy HTML The manner of Pte Gunther's death was confirmed by his colleagues. You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #5 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:11/11/2018 09:55:17Copy HTML Tom, if you look yourself into the sad death of Henry Gunther, you will find it was just as Mark explains, in fact, just as the yanks explain
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MarkUK | Share to: #6 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:12/11/2018 08:15:39Copy HTML Major, did you watch "They Shall Not Grow Old" last night on BBC 2? It was the most graphic and emotional piece of TV I've ever seen.
It began as you'd expect with silent, black and white, grainy, scratchy, jerky film from the war with the voices of old soldiers 60 years or more later describing their enlistment, training, journey to France etc. But 25 minutes in it suddenly expanded to full colour and sound and we were there.
The film has been colourised with sound effects added and most remarkably lip readers were used to reveal what they were saying so we heard their "voices" too. They didn't spare us shots of the mangled dead which was utterly horrific, bad enough in grainy black and white, but in fresh colour!
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #7 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:13/11/2018 07:59:59Copy HTML No Mark, I didn't see it but I read about it today and everybody spoke about it just like you. Many said, it should be made compulsory viewing for all 16 year olds. What do you think? |
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MarkUK | Share to: #8 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:13/11/2018 08:15:32Copy HTML A copy is being sent to every secondary school (it's rated 15).
Apart from the images the bit that got me was an old soldier 60 years later crying over the day he found a wounded colleague with his left arm and leg blown off calling for his mother. He shot him to end his suffering.
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PBA-3rd-1949 | Share to: #9 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:13/11/2018 09:12:12Copy HTML Was he awarded a medal for his valiant actions or was he just commiting suicide. Did other soldiers charge the Germans at the same time or did he act along. |
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MarkUK | Share to: #10 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:13/11/2018 10:48:39Copy HTML He didn't go into details, but it came cross as part of an infantry charge hit by artillery. I'm sure soldiers all over the world have done the same thing.
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majorshrapnel | Share to: #11 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:13/11/2018 12:02:10Copy HTML I've just finished watching it on the BBC player Mark. When it suddenly turns from black and white to colour, it really comes right home to you. It's a superb piece of workmanship and will hopefully give youngsters a new understanding of why they live in the wonderful world they live in right now.
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MarkUK | Share to: #12 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:13/11/2018 01:55:46Copy HTML Anyone switching on once it's in colour would think it was a film made this year for the anniversary. Except that the dead aren't as nicely posed as they are in films.
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MarkUK | Share to: #13 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:26/11/2018 09:41:09Copy HTML In continuing my World War I thread beyond 11 November I'm finding out just how much unrest and actual fighting there was in eastern Europe for three years or more before it settled down. It wasn't until 1922 that they sorted out their final borders.
You're playing chess with Fate and Fate's winning.
Arnold Bennett
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PBA-3rd-1949 | Share to: #14 |
Re:German Armistice Date Posted:26/11/2018 11:45:29Copy HTML And the more I read from many historians the Henry Gunther story isn't accurite.
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