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tommytalldog
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Date Posted:21/08/2018 04:17:57Copy HTML

 Some Germans think that President Trump is now their arch enemy & they can no longer depend on the U.S. to defend them from the evil Russians. Therefore they need their own nuclear arsenal to act as a deterrent. Russia & China are now flexing their muscles while Germany's own armed forces are in a state of neglect. Nothing flies, nothing floats, nothing runs as it should, & the Germans feel vulnerable. Some Germans have argued that they should co-finance the British & French nuclear arsenals. Of course that seems unworkable for the past 70 years Europe has failed to come up with a viable defense policy, so Germany can only rely on itself. Looks like the 30's all over again, eh?

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Re:A NUCLEAR GERMANY?

Date Posted:21/08/2018 05:43:16Copy HTML

You'll be aware of the fact that NAZI Germany was working on a nuclear bomb but Hitler abandoned the idea in favour of long range missiles - the V1 and V2.

In the RAF Museum Reserve Collection at Stafford there is the casing for a NAZI nuclear bomb, but luckily nothing inside it.

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Re:A NUCLEAR GERMANY?

Date Posted:21/08/2018 06:49:36Copy HTML

Yes, that is why we spirited many Nazi scientists away after the war before the Soviet could adopt them.

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Re:A NUCLEAR GERMANY?

Date Posted:21/08/2018 10:26:54Copy HTML

Some Germans think that President Trump is now their arch enemy & they can no longer depend on the U.S. to defend them from the evil Russians. Therefore they need their own nuclear arsenal to act as a deterrent. They had 70 years of peace in Europe with Nato because there is safety in numbers but Trump has gone out of his way to end that. The whole world, not just Germany Tommy now finds the States unreliable and untrustworthy anymore. In other words you have dropped the torch and are no longer considered the leader of the free world. What a different one "A" Hole makes eh? Were you ever an alter boy in Pennsivania Tommy??

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Re:A NUCLEAR GERMANY?

Date Posted:23/08/2018 09:29:58Copy HTML

I never knew that Trump had taken the US out of NATO Pete. The whole world is upset that they can't screw the once gormless US for millions and naturally they are upset at losing their meal ticket. 

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Date Posted:24/08/2018 06:50:00Copy HTML

 I never knew that Trump had taken the US out of NATO Pete. The whole world is upset that they can't screw the once gormless US for millions and naturally they are upset at losing their meal ticket. There is no such thing as Nato dues Major. You have to compare the States population to GDP and then look at all the Nato countries population to their GDP. It's like comparing apples to oranges. They can easily afford to keep buying new equipment. If any of the other Nato countries did the same they would be in the poor house. We just don't have the populations after each give their bit to support it like the States does.

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Date Posted:24/08/2018 10:58:36Copy HTML

Well there you go again, Pete. The facts are the Euro-Wienies do not pay their fair share & that I am paying for your handsome pension Pete. We do the heavy lifting all while you take equal credit with minimal effort claiming population & GDP rubbish. We spend a hundred $ & send a hundred troops.......you spend one $ & send one soldier & then you have the nerve to claim an equal contribution. It is what it is.
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Re:A NUCLEAR GERMANY?

Date Posted:24/08/2018 11:11:51Copy HTML

The NATO agreement is that every country spends 2% of GDP on defence. Now if you have a large GDP, you naturally spend more, small GDP you spend less. In other words, you spend what your country can afford and defence spending is an insurance policy against war. The US has kindly spent 4.2% whilst Germany has only spent 1% and even less for countries like Belgium, Holland, Denmark etc.

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Date Posted:24/08/2018 12:46:59Copy HTML

I agree that each country should spend an equal amount of their GDP, it's the only fair way. Of course the USA spends the most and so it should, it's bigger. Even Trump wouldn't expect Luxembourg to spend the same, but it can in terms of GDP percentage.

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Date Posted:24/08/2018 12:58:09Copy HTML

Size is irrelevant, in this case, the sole criteria is GDP.
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Date Posted:24/08/2018 03:09:51Copy HTML

With Germany's history, does anyone here think they should have nukes?
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Date Posted:24/08/2018 05:38:31Copy HTML

The Germany of today is not the Germany we knew in the first half of the 20th century, however the fewer countries that have nuclear weapons the better.
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Date Posted:24/08/2018 07:11:16Copy HTML

We are all better off if Germany remains an economic powerhouse rather than a nuclear one.
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Date Posted:24/08/2018 08:04:32Copy HTML

I recall many years ago some smartarse Yank coming out with a brilliant observation, when he said.... I love Germany so much, I'm glad there's two of them. He was obviously reflecting upon the dangers of the two Germany's in unification, which had started two world wars in a little over 25 years, which had cost the lives of around 40 million people, give or take a few million. The EU was instigated mainly by France in the hope of tieing Germany into a binding economic pact with enough civilised neighbours, in the hope of dispersuading her from another Lemming like rampage across Europe. I do think that their prolonged occupation of sane cultures after the war has contributed greatly to the reeducation of this dangerously prone automoton culture at the centre of Europe but I also fear that old habits die hard and they've not been dead long enough that some future frankenstein might reignite the old monster, which in plain language means, don't let the bastards anywhere near a nuclear weapon.

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Date Posted:25/08/2018 02:10:03Copy HTML

Well there you go again, Pete. The facts are the Euro-Wienies do not pay their fair share & that I am paying for your handsome pension Pete. We do the heavy lifting all while you take equal credit with minimal effort claiming population & GDP rubbish. We spend a hundred $ & send a hundred troops.......you spend one $ & send one soldier & then you have the nerve to claim an equal contribution. It is what it is. This is an easy one to answer Tommy because one of our soldiers is worth hundreds of yours. Always have been and always will be. Thanks for paying for my pension which gives me a cost of living raise each year. My only wish is that you live a very long life so that you can keep on paying it.

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Re:A NUCLEAR GERMANY?

Date Posted:26/08/2018 10:10:49Copy HTML

Size is irrelevant, in this case, the sole criteria is GDP. I disagree the size or population is relevant. A small country may have a bigger GDP because they are doing well but doesn't have the population to have a standing army. So what are they going to do with all the military equipment they are suppose to be buying? Hire mercenaries to use it. This all comes down to American greed. When the States buy all new equipment they expect Nato to do the same or at least buy their old out dated stuff off them. Germany did and probably still does have nukes on their soil Tommy. We use to guard the Honest Johns for two weeks at a time. I was there and watched as they fired their last Honest John on the Bergen Hohne ranges. I'm sure the Brits owned them and I imagine the States also had nukes in Germany also.

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Date Posted:27/08/2018 07:24:19Copy HTML

They'll be long gone by now. The British presence in Germany is shrinking yearly, I think the aim is to have no permanent bases by the mid 2020s.
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Date Posted:27/08/2018 07:02:31Copy HTML

They'll be long gone by now. The British presence in Germany is shrinking yearly, I think the aim is to have no permanent bases by the mid 2020s. That British Base in Bergen Hohne is now called a NATO Base I see on the maps. It's right beside Bergen Belsen. Canada has been out of Germany for quite some time now.

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Date Posted:28/08/2018 07:32:47Copy HTML

So who are these small population, high GDP countries then? 

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Date Posted:28/08/2018 10:11:15Copy HTML

We are all better off if Germany remains an economic powerhouse rather than a nuclear one. Then why is Trump trying to destroy all that then Tommy?? Back to being better off keeping the two Germany's separated. My father always said the same. The world is better off keeping them separated.

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